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Post by lieven on Jul 14, 2008 15:17:13 GMT -5
Some of my favorite winter squashes:
Moschata: Orange Butternut. Early & prolific, even more than those early hybrids. Dark orange flesh; great keeper.
Maxima: Eduard, a grey kabocha-hubbard cross, selected & stabilised & saved by a garden friend. Very good keeper. Not too hard to cut, not too heavy (4 kg), but with good orange, sweet, meaty flesh.
Pepo: Melonette Jaspée de Vendée. French heirloom; earlier & bigger than Sweet Dumpling & other Delicatas. Crossing these three & similar sweet pepo's has been one of my projects for some years.
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Post by canadamike on Jul 14, 2008 15:23:10 GMT -5
Lieven, I am growing Orange , although I got the seed late, I will see... in french it is also called Jambon de Hongrie, or Hungarian Ham once translated. I got it from Patrice at La Societe des Plantes in Quebec.
He even eats it raw with a dip, and says it is the best tasting squash he ever had.
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Post by raymondo on Jul 15, 2008 5:22:13 GMT -5
Moschatas like the various Butternuts and Jap. I also like Triamble, a maxima. Will be trying Thelma Sanders this coming season.
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Post by Alan on Jul 15, 2008 19:59:11 GMT -5
I am a big fan of triamble as well Raymundo, a terifically tasty and beautiful squash. I've never heard of the three the Lieven posted about and may have to obtain some samples for '09. I noticed today that my winter squash are starting to set some fruit today, they are looking good for the most part, lots of new crosses this year, lots of new diversity, and looking forward to seeing the segregates!
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Post by canadamike on Jul 15, 2008 21:18:16 GMT -5
Ok! OK! I got the hint on the Orange squash Alan...I already kept seeds for you anyway. I'm sure you kind of knew... I prefer the name Jambon de Hongrie, or Hungarian Ham, it sounds more titillating for the taste buds ;D . I put my hands on too much orange or orange this and orange that melons, I kind of balk at the name now. And the meat of the others is kind of orangish anyway... although apparently less pronounced.
They are really slow to come up, I think I'll end up with no mature fruits unless I build them a greenhouse of some sort, and with the caning and selling and freezing, I doubt I will find the energy...
How is my Thelma Sanders/ Sweet Dumpling mass-cross doing. Did you simply included it in the mix or is it separated?
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Post by flowerpower on Jul 15, 2008 21:47:48 GMT -5
Hungarian Ham? I think my little pig Herman would love that. lol I never grew the Triamble. I thought it was more of a decorative squash. How big do they get?
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Post by raymondo on Jul 16, 2008 1:37:46 GMT -5
Flowerpower, Triamble are a good size, up to 12lbs or so with the right conditions, though mine tend to be smaller at around 8 or 9lbs. They keep very well too. At least two companies sell seed here and they appear to have slightly different strains. One has a much smoother rind than the other, which I prefer.
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Post by canadamike on Jul 16, 2008 1:58:51 GMT -5
Raymondo, I still have a Thelma Sanders Squash in my garage, it is still in shape to be eaten. I suspect Sweet Dumpling would have lasted only slightly less, I ate the last one in may. I have a mass-cross of them both if you want some, with Thelma as the mom, and some others with SD as mommy.
On the melon front, the LUNÉVILLE MELON, that you can see here in my post or at tomodori at bell4562 post, should prove good enough for your climate. It is a very strong and early grower, like its parent Presscott. The big surprise is again Ginger's Pride, the giant ( 10kg) muskmelon, sending early flowers and being a monster plant of some sort.
I'll have to uncover my main melon row this week for pollination so I will be able to report on the progress of the 80 or so plants that I can hardly evaluate now. Some are ''pushing the enveloppe'' so there will be some positive news coming I guess.
It has been a terrible summer for them, almost no warmth, tons of rain, so it is quite a good testing summer...
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Post by raymondo on Jul 16, 2008 6:18:44 GMT -5
Glad to hear Thelma Sanders is a keeper. I'm using it in a cross with naked seeded pepos, I may have mentioned this before. In fact I know I have because the choice of TS is on your recommendation. Thanks for the offer of the crossed seeds but I'll use the straight TS, for which I have plenty of seed.
That melon looks interesting. I'd be very happy to have some seeds of that one. I should get round to doing the promised list of Aussie varieties next week so we could talk trade talk after I send you the list. How does that sound?
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Post by flowerpower on Jul 16, 2008 6:40:10 GMT -5
Flowerpower, Triamble are a good size, up to 12lbs or so with the right conditions, though mine tend to be smaller at around 8 or 9lbs. They keep very well too. At least two companies sell seed here and they appear to have slightly different strains. One has a much smoother rind than the other, which I prefer. That's much bigger than they look in photos. I do like the shape. |
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Post by orflo on Jul 16, 2008 12:12:04 GMT -5
Years ago I was a great fan of the kuris (red, green and blue). I still like them very much, especially the blue kuri. But when I discovered sugar loaf, the kuris were put on the second place: very sweet , tasty, adaptable,...unfortunately little flesh (I am selecting for more flesh), and then Thelma Sanders sp came up, which was about as good...So these two became my favourite ones.
And I tried lots: over 60 varieties, this year again : nagydobosy, sutotok,(both Hungarian),gourmet delight,...
I am also trying a variety with edible seeds, that can be pressed for oil. I used to try these seed-pumpkins, they ended up as very big plants with huge fruits and a disappointing seed-harvest . Well-known are styrian hulless or lady godiva, there are a whole range of others. The one I'm growing this year is completely different: it's a bush variety, growing like a zucchini (and it looks like a zucchini as well) and takes up far less space than the bigger ones . Now wait and see what the seed harvest will be...
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Post by canadamike on Jul 16, 2008 21:31:34 GMT -5
Thelma Sanders really imroves in taste with time. They where better in February than in the fall, but it is true of so many... although I did not exect such a change for a pepo. But I am not an authority on squashes, quite far from that, it is only in the recent years that I have grown some taste for them. As a vegetable though I always found them wonderful in their variety and long keeping quality.
The Hungarian Ham will be grown a lot next year, as my chef buddy loves the butternuts for the ease to get the meat in good chunks.
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Post by daylilydude on Dec 31, 2008 14:46:53 GMT -5
I'm interested in the neck pumpkin if anyone has info on them? I luvs the butternuts and have not seen much talk about the neck pumpkin?
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Post by raymondo on Jan 3, 2009 21:30:05 GMT -5
I've seen it mentioned, but don't know the Neck Pumpkin. I'm growing out an Australian selection of Waltham Butternut which is supposed to have a very long neck, up to a metre. We'll see!
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Post by michaeljohnson on Jan 4, 2009 1:15:25 GMT -5
A company called (marshalls seeds UK) has just brought out an outstanding new winter squash in their new 2009 catalogue, it is called (Squashkin) and is a direct cross between a Butternut squash and the silver grey (Crown Prince pumpkin) the result is a large pumpkin shaped squash about the same size and shape of Crown Prince but it is the same colour as the Butternut squash, and apparently the flesh is very sweet and moorish, I shall definately get a packet of those to try in 2009.
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