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Post by imgrimmer on Dec 22, 2015 16:42:29 GMT -5
Did you cross pollinate the flowers? Where does this great variation come from? Do you have issues with late blight?
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Post by imgrimmer on Dec 23, 2015 1:45:02 GMT -5
I grow tomatoes like you since 2007. Started with a variety from my grandpa and mixed hybrids and other interesting OP varieties every year and let them cross (if they can...) It seems there is more crosspollination than thought. Shapes and colours changed nearly every year. I am not sure if it is all cross pollination it should also be dehybridisation. I select mainly for earliness and late blight tolerance. Last year I thought I found the golden apple....  I had some rows of tomatoes showing no sign of late blight while everything around was dying. These were all close relatives so it could be genetic, but this year they died like all the others. The journey goes on.... I would be interested in yours as I think there might some good genetics for open flowers. Did you noticed the shape of the flowers? |
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Post by richardw on Dec 23, 2015 12:13:53 GMT -5
Very interesting work you are doing toomanyirons , do you mainly deal in the 'red's' |
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Post by richardw on Dec 24, 2015 12:08:04 GMT -5
Very interesting work you are doing toomanyirons , do you mainly deal in the 'red's' I have not been impressed by the green varieties I have tried although one variety caught my attention (cannot remember the name at the moment). Have you tried Grubs Mystery Green?, it has been my families favorite for the best tasting of all tomatoes, problem is i think ive lost it from my collection, but a woman down the road from me was given a plant from me years ago, she had saved seed but not for the last few years, hopefully good news was that she had heaps of potato leaf volunteers come up in her glass house which i'm hoping is GMG, she's never grown any other potato leafed tomatoes before so there's a good chance. I'm growing Green Aunt Lucy at the moment, this was seed that was getting near 10 years so was amazed any germinated. |
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Post by gilbert on Jan 4, 2016 13:43:00 GMT -5
I like Ananas Noire. It was quite productive for a large tomato in Colorado, and very interesting looking. And it had a good taste. I also thought Green Zebra, Tasty Evergreen, and Aunt Ruby's German Green were pretty good. But I've rarely run across a tomato I don't like.
toomanyirons, your tomatoes are beautiful. What are the tags for; identifying specific fruits in some way to separate the landrace into subgroups?
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Post by imgrimmer on Jul 5, 2016 17:42:10 GMT -5
Do you have issues with Late Blight? I wonder how Iron Lady does in comparison to your own varieties.
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Post by reed on Jul 6, 2016 5:29:51 GMT -5
I posted some pictures of your tomatoes but deleted it and put them over on my thread. I would rather wait for your pictures here.
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Post by imgrimmer on Jul 6, 2016 16:10:30 GMT -5
" The plants got infected and died just as quickly as all my other plants. The Iron Lady plants were very poor producers as well. . I am thinking of next year doing a controlled cross of one or all three of these fairly new blight resistant varieties with my MN Stumpy, which I believe shows signs of blight resistance... I read all the reports about this late blight resistence genes Ph2 and Ph3 and wonder if it could be real. In open field trials all other varieties reported to be tolerant like Legend failed in comparison to them. That is really strange. My experience with Skykomish a variety by Tom Wagner and also a Ph2 and Ph3 variety was pretty disappointing. It withstood long, longer than others but suddenly died by LB before a single fruit ripened. My Landrace suffered as well but I had a decent harvest before. This could be a problem of a longer DTM period and is solvable but Skykomish was not resistent at all lightly tolerant I would say. nevertheless I will do a trial with all these "resistent" variaties I can get. make some crosses in the greenhouse and bring them in field next year with my own plants. We will see what they are worth... 2 years ago I had a patch of plants from my own variety completely resistent until the first frost while everything else around was dying. sadly the offspring wasn`t resistent like that again. I still wonder what that was... To make a point I think there are more than just 2 genes making a plant LB tolerant or resistent, but it couldn`t be wrong to have these genes in my plants. I just bought Iron Lady, Mountain Merit, Defiant and will maybe get my fingers on NC1 Celebr . |
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Post by reed on Jul 7, 2016 4:49:28 GMT -5
That's a fine flower picture, those little gaps at the base of the cone while maybe almost to small to see, I think they are big enough for those little bees. We have lots of things to attract pollinators too. Black eye Susan, purple come flower, sunflower, thyme, and lots more but only certain ones of those little bees and flies stop by the tomatoes.
It's interesting watching the pollinators and their preferences. One kind of what I think is a fly but looks like a bee visits Black eye Susans almost exclusively. Those cool little hummingbird moths only eat summer phlox and butterfly bushes.
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Post by reed on Jul 7, 2016 21:38:41 GMT -5
Had a bad storm come through here overnight, strong winds damaged my patch of MN Stumpies. A bunch of tomato plants in the main garden planting are shredded.  Knew it would happen sooner or later, been dodging bullets all summer so far but finally got hit. Hate to hear it, that kind of thing is so discouraging, hopefully you can salvage at least enough for your own use. My larger flowered MN Stumpie also has more flowers. Fruits are still increasing in size. |
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Post by reed on Jul 18, 2016 9:12:54 GMT -5
Tomatoes are starting to come on now. Utah heart and the TMI pastes haven't been sampled for flavor yet. You can't pick XH-9 early and let it ripen off the vine, it's bland if you do but fully ripened on the vine its very good, gambling that a squirrel won't get it first. The little current cross is absolutely delicious, that is one of four phenyotypes in the mix of about twenty plants, some yellow ones were awful and were culled. Normal leaf frosty volunteer is also very very good. It has almost no seeds, four fruits worth are in the bowl and there probably isn't more than fifty seeds. Most of what should be seeds are just tiny specks, never saw that before.  [add] I'm still waiting for MN Stumpy to ripen but they are close to baseball size now. Definitely not cherry. |
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Post by reed on Jul 23, 2016 21:53:41 GMT -5
So far (in the processing) patch not that I'm above making juice from the slicers I have three definite keepers for my landrace tomatoes. The one from Joseph Lofthouse that I call Utah Heart, one from toomanyirons , and the supposed to be local heirloom.    I'll probably mix them into a larger landrace but also am keeping each of these separate. I made spaghetti from these after extracting the seeds, it was excellent. Looks like next week will be busy processing sauces and the like from these. Anticipating more great surprises as other types start to ripen. |
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Post by reed on Jul 24, 2016 10:32:41 GMT -5
Yes the local heart is pink and also the least flavorful of the three but it exhibits some variation with some more round ones in the patch. I said it it the least flavorful but still quite good. Some others of yours are very large with streaking. Still waiting on those to finish ripening. I culled that one earlier pink one, just not enough oomph to the flavor. The Lofthouse one is most flavorful, most productive and by far the largest of the three, flavor is reminiscent of what tomatoes tasted like when I was a kid.
MN Stumpy fruits are about tennis ball sized and starting to show some color. Also have started a second round of flowering, nice to see that. Should be able to post fruit pictures and taste evaluation next week. They do have what I consider the normal dying of lower leaves but I don't worry about that too much. If it goes past the lower leaves or shows up on the new growth of a plat I rip it out.
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Post by kazedwards on Jul 24, 2016 18:05:57 GMT -5
I haven't had any real tomatoes yet either. I think the issue I'm having is blight as well. The landrace plants I have out were some of the first to set fruit. The weather this year has been rough. Hot and humid. The tomatoes haven't liked it. I am enjoying all the different shapes in the landrace. I'm sure they will start to turn soon.
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Post by reed on Jul 24, 2016 22:00:48 GMT -5
Weather has been hard this year, as usual any more. Ours is predicted for rain all next week, that won't be good. I have a lot of tomatoes just ready to turn in enough abundance fill our jars for winter. That's my main objective, if they decline after that I can live with it. I have some plants with little to no signs of blight or what ever it is. They hybrid Red Rose that I'v carried on about before is almost completely free of it as is one of my Cherokee Purple. That same Cherokee Purple is also more productive than I'v ever seen for that variety, I'm excited about that. That odd pleated one from Tom's landrace has very little blight and LOTS of fruits, really looking forward to sampling it's flavor. Here are a couple more that ripened up today also from Tom's.  I didn't label the photo cause they came from two different plants. I'm printing and laminating the pictures and then going to attach my seed packs. I like the visual cue to help spark memory of which was my favorites. The cut open one is excellent, on par with Rutgers and Lofthouse'd Utah Heart. The bigger on also very good but a little sweeter. Here is the inside of the sweeter one.  It's seeds were hiding in secret compartments but I found em. Both of these will get planted again next year too. |
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I had some rows of tomatoes showing no sign of late blight while everything around was dying. These were all close relatives so it could be genetic, but this year they died like all the others. 
Knew it would happen sooner or later, been dodging bullets all summer so far but finally got hit.