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Post by kazedwards on Jul 27, 2016 10:02:38 GMT -5
Wow. I didn't know garlic would do that. I makes me think catawissa topset onions.
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Post by kazedwards on Jul 27, 2016 10:19:14 GMT -5
Your post reminded me about the plants that had two separate scapes on the same plant.  It seems that one clove decided to make its own scape and use the same stem as the the main plant. |
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Post by meganp on Jul 27, 2016 14:18:14 GMT -5
tmi are you going to replant the miniature spathe #1 to see whether the resulting bulbs display the same aberration?
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Post by meganp on Jul 27, 2016 20:30:33 GMT -5
Tmi I've only been growing garlic for 7 years so a relative nooby but never ever noticed that in any of my hardneck umbels. Will have to keep an eye out this season.
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Post by reed on Jul 27, 2016 21:05:12 GMT -5
Concerning the miniature unbels, I'v seen that off and on. I never paid it enough attention to say 100% for sure but I think the tiny bulbils will grow just fine if they touch the ground. [add] I think it is more common that I realized, just took a couple minutes to find these in the bulbils pile that hasn't been separated yet. There were a couple much better developed ones but I didn't think any thing abut them and they are already in the other box. I know they will grow fine cause in years when I just completely neglected this garlic the main bulbils were not much bigger than that.  |
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Post by kazedwards on Jul 28, 2016 0:10:57 GMT -5
Your post reminded me about the plants that had two separate scapes on the same plant. It seems that one clove decided to make its own scape and use the same stem as the the main plant. I am curious about this, please clarify for me. There were two scapes on the plant and each one produced an umbel with bulbils? The plant's main scape stemmed down through the center of the cloves/bulb as usual, but a single clove shot a scape up from its tip through the leaves that wrapped around the main stem? Weird... Never seen this but I often see twin scapes that split out of the one main stem that goes all the way down through the bulb. The splits usually occur around 10-12 inches above the bulbs. Sounds like you got it. In the picture the clove on the far left has a scape. It is just as hard as the main one in the middle. Both scapes produce an umbel with bulbil and flowers. The main scape was 3-4' tall but the second was 12" and smaller. They both used the main stem as a route to the surface. You can see that at the top of the pic. |
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Post by meganp on Jul 28, 2016 1:19:59 GMT -5
I would not consider a grower to be a noob or even a relative noob if you have been growing something for 7 years.  I agree with you that somewhat closer observation of your plants will allow you to find such wonderfully strange things. Makes growing garlic fun and keeps it interesting. Last year was my first serious attempt at obtaining true seed so my observation of the plants has been intensified - having said that, the selection of garlic available to us in NZ is very limited, none are properly categorised into the horticultural group let alone named cultivars. I know that I have a couple of what I am hoping are purple stripes based on leaf, clove numbers, bulbil size, number and shape. It has taken me all this time to try to identify the groups I've got growing and am confident that I am also growing some turbans, artichokes, silverskins and a rocambole. Possibly a creole or asiatic too but need to observe the scape and spathe more closely. I agree that growing garlic is great fun and can be quite obsessive  |
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Post by paquebot on Aug 4, 2016 22:18:08 GMT -5
One thing that everyone is learning is that there is nothing set in stone as to how garlic grows, especially among hardnecks. Some of the porcelain are fairly predictable with the umbels and bulbils but not some of the others. If you plant enough of something, you'll see everything. Learned that from the years of being associated with We Grow Garlic. With more than 300 Martin's this year, I saw everything except double scapes. One thing that I have never documented before was the percentage of large versus small bulbils in this variety. Had about a gallon of bulbils drying today. Decided to run them over a ¼" screen rather than pick out the bigger ones. By volume, they were almost identical. Ended with about two quarts each of over and under ¼".
Martin
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Post by philagardener on Aug 5, 2016 5:31:46 GMT -5
Even the hardneck <-> softneck distinction seems to be a continuum. The only rule seems that there is are no rules. Sounds like you had a nice crop this year! |
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Post by steev on Nov 15, 2016 23:57:03 GMT -5
So you really like to blast the nitrogen?
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Post by shoshannah on Nov 16, 2016 0:25:34 GMT -5
Most interesting about double cloves. I'll keep them with the small cloves I use for green garlic.
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Post by paquebot on Nov 16, 2016 3:07:06 GMT -5
Steev, garlic is a real nitrogen hog just like all other alliums. Because of their ability to tolerate a wide pH range, fresh horse manure can be used with no ill effects. My present crop has been fed a combination of horse, pigeon, and human manure. If we don't have another spring drought, still have hopes for a 4" Martin's.
TMI, most of what you picture as doubles could be safely split. The basal plate should divide on most of them. We never lost any and some even had chunks that broke off and left a "wound". My idea of a true double has two distinct tips but no cleft or just barely the start of one. Percentage on Martin's is low as I think that there was one to plant back this fall.
If one had only double cloves to plant back, overall production would be 50% more than single cloves. I've always planted them back. In theory, you should get two half bulbs but usually get two three-quarter bulbs. Initially they share the same root system but that often splits so that each can support more cloves.
Martin
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Post by paquebot on Nov 16, 2016 10:08:47 GMT -5
Ah, but doubles give you more to plant back while using the perfect ones for the market! Exceptions to planting back doubles was the center clove of a softneck. They'll end up as a cluster more often than not.
Martin
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Post by steev on Nov 18, 2016 20:03:41 GMT -5
If you don't go outside, you'll stop noticing it.
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Post by meganp on Nov 19, 2016 1:50:48 GMT -5
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I agree with you that somewhat closer observation of your plants will allow you to find such wonderfully strange things. Makes growing garlic fun and keeps it interesting.
