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Post by castanea on Dec 4, 2016 22:07:11 GMT -5
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Post by steev on Dec 4, 2016 23:31:57 GMT -5
That would be funny, were they not serious. WTF is wrong with these people? Oh, right; they're corporate lackies serving the interests of knaves and scoundrels.
As I've noted, the 60's are back; guess I'm a dealer again.
Warning! If you smoke or snort my corn, it's gonna be harsh and there's not a high in a car-load.
Subvert the dominant paradigm!
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Post by zeedman on Dec 5, 2016 0:10:18 GMT -5
Someone should really be forced to explain how sharing seeds with other gardeners amounts to "terrorism". That word seems to be getting used ever more casually by civil servants whose actions & motives would not bear close scrutiny.
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Post by rowan on Dec 5, 2016 2:28:31 GMT -5
I am not saying this article does not have some truth in it, I would be very wary of believing anything that is put out by 'Natural News'
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Post by castanea on Dec 5, 2016 7:08:53 GMT -5
Someone should really be forced to explain how sharing seeds with other gardeners amounts to "terrorism". That word seems to be getting used ever more casually by civil servants whose actions & motives would not bear close scrutiny. Terrorism in the US is now holding any opinion with which the government and the media disagree. |
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Post by oldmobie on Dec 5, 2016 9:48:12 GMT -5
To be fair, there are such things as guerrilla gardening and seed bombs. Is there an IQ test required before joining the Department of Agriculture?
For the record, I never make seeds into WMDs! I remove seeds from the hands of agri-terrorists. After brief storage, (unfortunate backlog...) I bury them out back for YOUR safety. You're welcome, America.
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Post by steev on Dec 5, 2016 11:46:02 GMT -5
IQ test? Yes; if your score is more digits than you can count on your (supposedly) opposible thumbs, do not apply.
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Post by prairiegardens on Dec 5, 2016 14:55:08 GMT -5
Looking for an article from this outfit that I read from a different link and ran across this, from Arch Noah..The link goes to the German so this is courtesy of Google Translate:
EU Commission: Plants and animals from conventional breeding are not patentable
3. 11. 2016: In a long-awaited opinion, the EU Commission declares that it regards plants and animals as "non-patentable" from "essentially biological methods" for breeding. This statement is in sharp contrast to the practice of the European Patent Office (EPO), which has already granted over 100 patents concerning conventional breeding, including patents on tomatoes and broccoli.
The international coalition "No Patents on Seed!" Has been calling for these patents for years, and has submitted petitions and objections together with hundreds of thousands of supporters.
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Post by prairiegardens on Dec 5, 2016 15:19:14 GMT -5
I was looking for an article supposedly from Arche Noah that said the the EU has now reversed the drive toward limiting seed trade and use and is throwing it back open. But I couldnt find it in the German version and can't find the original link. What I did find was this snippet from Wiki, which references this thread's topic directly:
In 2014, the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture caused a seed-lending library to shut down and promised to curtail any similar efforts in the state.[7] The lending library, hosted by a town library, allowed gardeners to "check out" a package of open-pollinated seed, and "return" seeds kept from the crop grown from those seeds. The Department of Agriculture said that this activity raises the possibility of "agri-terrorism", and that a Seed Act of 2004 requires the library staff to test each seed packet for germination rate and whether the seed was true to type.[7] In 2016 the department reversed this decision, and clarified that seed libraries and non-commercial seed exchanges are not subject to the requirements of the Seed Act.[8]
That, however is just Pennsylvania, iirc there were others as well. SO it seems as though such things are enforced or not depending on the State. (and how many control freaks with too much time on their hands are trying to justify their jobs)
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Post by steev on Dec 5, 2016 18:06:57 GMT -5
A problem that occurs to me is that someone could be bashed for unknowingly taking out and planting seed contaminated with patented GMO's.
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Post by zeedman on Dec 5, 2016 22:47:56 GMT -5
A problem that occurs to me is that someone could be bashed for unknowingly taking out and planting seed contaminated with patented GMO's. Plenty of precedent for farmers being ensnared & prosecuted due to accidental (or perhaps intentional) GMO cross-pollination. Considering that the tactic of intentional contamination was used to inject GMO's into the food supply in the first place, it is not unreasonable to assume that similar actions might be used in the future to undermine the seed industry. Fortunately, there are few GM vegetables at present. It is far more likely that if/when garden seed regulation occurs in the U.S., it will take the form of a "white list" similar to that being used in Europe. |
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Post by prairiegardens on Dec 5, 2016 22:51:29 GMT -5
That was what happened to the farmer in Alberta re canola. Monsanto insisted he had "stolen" the seed, he insisted it had volunteered. Iirc eventually he was found not guilty but it went all the way to the Supreme Court, not sure if he lost his farm to legal bills, he did end up losing his family to divorce. Now, of course, canola is turning into a weed in some areas, for about 4 miles not far from here, it's crowded everything else out along the verge of the highway.
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Post by prairiegardens on Dec 5, 2016 22:56:00 GMT -5
A problem that occurs to me is that someone could be bashed for unknowingly taking out and planting seed contaminated with patented GMO's. Plenty of precedent for farmers being ensnared & prosecuted due to accidental (or perhaps intentional) GMO cross-pollination. Considering that the tactic of intentional contamination was used to inject GMO's into the food supply in the first place, it is not unreasonable to assume that similar actions might be used in the future to undermine the seed industry. Fortunately, there are few GM vegetables at present. It is far more likely that if/when garden seed regulation occurs in the U.S., it will take the form of a "white list" similar to that being used in Europe. IF the article that I found and then lost is correct, the use of any list of allowed or disallowed seed is being dropped by the EU.There were apparently hundreds of thousands of people who protested. Perhaps brexit and the battles going on in various elections in Europe right now have them thinking perhaps they ought to pay a little more attention to what people want rather than what big corporations want. We can only hope. |
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Post by steev on Dec 6, 2016 2:38:44 GMT -5
Indeed so; let us hope enough people wise up to how they're being screwed that they speak up, demanding that their governments govern, rather than rule.
The whole "top-down" mode of government is a royal cock-up.
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Post by MikeH on Dec 7, 2016 20:03:16 GMT -5
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