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Post by prairiegardens on Dec 5, 2016 15:29:01 GMT -5
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Post by billw on Dec 5, 2016 17:34:31 GMT -5
It's a good list, but all garden seed companies supply non-GMO seeds. If it doesn't come with a contract, it isn't GMO.
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Post by steev on Dec 6, 2016 23:51:15 GMT -5
If there's no contract, how can you be sure it's good?
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Post by richardw on Dec 14, 2016 13:16:08 GMT -5
What do you mean, a contract?
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Post by richardw on Dec 14, 2016 13:17:18 GMT -5
Ive emailed them to get our seed Co-Op on there as well.
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Post by billw on Dec 14, 2016 13:34:03 GMT -5
What do you mean, a contract? You don't buy GMO seeds, you buy a limited license to use them. That means paperwork. They come with a agreement that you must sign that covers things like only growing one crop and not saving the seed, not using them for research, limitations on pesticide use, etc. People are often afraid that somebody is going to secretly sell them GMO seeds like some kind of drug pusher, but that will never happen because the patent holders have a huge investment in maintaining control of the seed supply. Some seed companies engage in a lot of scaremongering as a marketing technique but, as far as I know, there is not a single company anywhere who will sell packet quantities of GMO seed at all, much less without making you sign a contract. |
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Post by zeedman on Dec 14, 2016 16:46:02 GMT -5
Ditto on Bill's comments. GM seeds are tightly controlled, it is doubtful that gardeners will ever see them. The GM genie might be loose, but the seed companies keep a tight grip on the lamp.  |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Dec 14, 2016 21:33:43 GMT -5
A common way that GMO seeds get released into the wild is through theft... Someone steals a bag of GMO sugar-beet seed, subdivides it into small packets, and sells it on eBay.
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Post by prairiegardens on Dec 14, 2016 23:40:21 GMT -5
Ok I am confused. At a quick glance Stokes seed is selling a bunch of patented varieties of different things, and one melon which requires a contract for anyone buying a thousand seeds or more. That seed is available without a contract to anyone who wants to buy any lesser amount including a packet of I think 10 seeds.
How do breeders get to patent plant material? (Something that the EU has just this month decided is not to be allowed.. a bit late maybe, but an interesting development). Anyway, since it is illegal to propagate patented seed either without permission, how is it possible to know the difference and indeed that none of the patented seed is GMO?
Trust is not an option anymore for a company tightly intertwined with Syngenta, none of the Monsanto cluster of companies are known for being upfront about what they are doing, and iirc Syngenta's specialty is genetics. Paranoid, possibly. Quite willing to listen, though.
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Post by rowan on Dec 14, 2016 23:46:41 GMT -5
Is the seed patented or is it PBR (Plant breeders rights)? I think you will find they are the latter which are legal.
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Post by prairiegardens on Dec 14, 2016 23:49:35 GMT -5
The listing in the catalog says they are patented.if you look on page 6 of the catalog there are 7 different listings for beans included which are each defined as patented seed. Looking again now, there are not as many of these as I expected, several for broccoli as well, but none that I saw for cabbage or corn, which was a surprise. They used to have a bunch of listings for PVP in both categories, scanning quickly have seen none with that designation at all so far, only got as far as cucumbers tho.
add: later PVP plant designation shows up a few times, along with a few more patented varieties. Not nearly as many as expected, given the green beans page. Dont know the difference between PVP and patented and although I understand that patented doesn't necessarily mean GMO, it seems as though it equally doesn't necessarily mean not GMO either.Mystery seed.
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Post by billw on Dec 15, 2016 0:09:27 GMT -5
Patented doesn't necessarily mean GMO, it just means patented. It is possible to get patents on traits produced through conventional breeding, as absurd as that is.
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Post by billw on Dec 15, 2016 0:15:39 GMT -5
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Post by prairiegardens on Dec 15, 2016 0:40:26 GMT -5
Do green beans normally contain neonicotinoids? That one does, or so the description says. Or are they talking about the seed treatment? Difficult to know...
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Post by billw on Dec 15, 2016 0:47:53 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the Cruiser pesticide that the seeds are treated with.
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