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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jan 31, 2018 16:50:51 GMT -5
A graft that I see fairly frequently is dwarf-weeping cherry grafted onto a normal sized cherry tree. The graft typically occurs at about a 6 foot height.
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Post by richardw on Jan 31, 2018 21:50:54 GMT -5
Yes, you see a number of them around. I'll ask Graeme to send me a photo of the trunk and we'll see if its been grafted.
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Post by farmermike on Jan 31, 2018 22:09:53 GMT -5
A graft that I see fairly frequently is dwarf-weeping cherry grafted onto a normal sized cherry tree. The graft typically occurs at about a 6 foot height. The weeping mulberries I've seen are grafted the same way. We sold them bare-root in a nursery where used to work. I always wondered if they would have problems with the rootstock/trunk sprouting suckers.
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Post by mskrieger on Feb 2, 2018 13:53:21 GMT -5
I wonder richardw if you are right about upping the proportion of sand in the rooting medium. The YouTube video I watched on propagating mulberries was done in Florida (I think the same one you saw), so he almost certainly has sandy soil and plenty of rain (he was cutting them off the tree and sticking them right in the soil and claiming that worked.) My soil has 50% sand, most of the rest is coarse silt, and mulberries do really well here. Last year my neighbor cut down almost all the trees in his yard without notice, including the best-tasting mulberry in the neighborhood. I found a seedling nearby on my side of the property line in an inconvenient spot. Hoping it might have those tasty genetics, I transplanted it. But 'transplant' doesn't really describe the violent hack job I did--I lost most of the roots and ripped open the trunk accidentally and then just shoved the poor thing in a shallow hole in the partly shady understory of my backyard hickory trees. Despite this abuse the tree survived. Sandy soil and consistent rain may have had some to do with it.
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Post by richardw on Feb 2, 2018 14:22:40 GMT -5
They seem to be able to handle violent hack jobs, when Graeme moved it to his new place it was nearly barefooted and pretty much the size it was in the photo.
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Post by richardw on Feb 8, 2018 22:00:42 GMT -5
Ok, it appears to be grafted. farmermike what ever this has been grafted onto it doesn't sucker. Still a mystery as to why the seed are hollow though.
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Post by mskrieger on Feb 14, 2018 17:03:35 GMT -5
Wow. That's a pretty darn obvious dwarfing graft. Look how small the lower trunk is! Wild.
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Post by steev on Feb 14, 2018 20:41:31 GMT -5
My lower trunk used to be small, but my graft seems to have slid.
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Post by philagardener on Feb 16, 2018 6:52:54 GMT -5
My lower trunk used to be small, but my graft seems to have slid. Spoken like a true scion!
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Post by applesnmore on Mar 3, 2018 4:00:07 GMT -5
Personally I would graft, then when planting out, plant the tree so the graft union is below the soil level. That way you know your tree has taken and as it grows, it will self root. Just the same as old timers did with apples and pears on seedling stock
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Post by philagardener on Mar 3, 2018 6:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by richardw on Mar 5, 2018 2:23:13 GMT -5
Any thoughts as to what its been grafted on to?
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Post by applesnmore on Mar 5, 2018 16:31:31 GMT -5
To be honest, no... I suspect, like most fruits, Morus is compatible with Morus, change genus and compatability issues arise as in pear and quince. Even at species level all is not plain sailing, apples have compatibility issues - Katy/Katja on M9 swells badly.
Mulberry is typically struck from hardwood cuttings, or chip or t budded onto seedling stock.
But I question what the photos tell us. The top picture, the branch on the right seems to eminate from the rootstock and the branch appears dwarf relative to the base stock Yet in the second photo clearly the opposite is true and there is a difference in girth and bark texture. If it was an apple I would have thought it had been sat in wet ground and suffered from a fungal rot
Either way I cannot say one way or another.
So if the seedling used in this case displayed a dwarfing habit it is a chance mutation.
I would look to encourage the rootstock to sucker, a bit of spade damage. Hope that leads to vegetative growth and then you have options.
Regarding the hollow seeds... 2 thoughts. Parthenocarpic fruit? As with confrence pears, fruit can be / frequently is formed without pollination hence get hollow seeds. Or Female sterile cultivar. Seen in apples.
Sorry nothing definitive but more to churn over.
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Post by richardw on Mar 6, 2018 1:34:02 GMT -5
To be honest, no... I suspect, like most fruits, Morus is compatible with Morus, change genus and compatability issues arise as in pear and quince. Even at species level all is not plain sailing, apples have compatibility issues - Katy/Katja on M9 swells badly. Mulberry is typically struck from hardwood cuttings, or chip or t budded onto seedling stock. But I question what the photos tell us. The top picture, the branch on the right seems to eminate from the rootstock and the branch appears dwarf relative to the base stock Yet in the second photo clearly the opposite is true and there is a difference in girth and bark texture. If it was an apple I would have thought it had been sat in wet ground and suffered from a fungal rot
Either way I cannot say one way or another. So if the seedling used in this case displayed a dwarfing habit it is a chance mutation. I would look to encourage the rootstock to sucker, a bit of spade damage. Hope that leads to vegetative growth and then you have options. Regarding the hollow seeds... 2 thoughts. Parthenocarpic fruit? As with confrence pears, fruit can be / frequently is formed without pollination hence get hollow seeds. Or Female sterile cultivar. Seen in apples. Sorry nothing definitive but more to churn over.
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