Peas 2018

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

Jul 29, 2018 15:13:18 GMT -5 ethin said:

Jul 28, 2018 19:39:23 GMT -5 keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) said:

ethin , how did all your peas turn out from this spring?

Not sure, haven't payed much attention to them besides watering them.

I can report that of the few "heavily branched" peas that did grow one did exhibit some branching and another one is an umbellatum type.

Interesting. I didn't pay much attention to Mine as i did not really observe branching like last year. Regardless it should be a descendant from Salmon-Flowered so an umbel type showing up is not unusual. I wonder if the heavy branching is partially environmental influenced.

[ethin]

In other pea new I had a Naturally Occurring Hybrid show up in the shelling peas.

Also I think those purple seeds that came from Joseph Lofthouse Soup pea mix last year where F2 and about half the F3 seed this year is also purple so unless all the purple disappears next year we have some new strains of purple seeded (snap) peas.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

Sometimes purpleish peas will show up in golden sweet heritage and others, presumably from environmental effects, these kind never stay the next generation. Purple Passion is the only one i know of that does. But take some pictures if they do. I planted the last 4 seeds i got that were purple, perhaps they will still stay purple this generation. It is possible that they were heterozygous last season and i just got unlucky with the segregation.

In other news the "Fast Growing" pea is crazy!! It is already like 8" tall! When the other pea seedlings are 1"! It does seem to have some strange mutation. But I'm excited to see how it does overall.

[galina]

Aug 1, 2018 22:42:00 GMT -5 keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) said:

Sometimes purpleish peas will show up in golden sweet heritage and others, presumably from environmental effects, these kind never stay the next generation. Purple Passion is the only one i know of that does.

Great pity if this is true. For the first time ever I have got all fully dark purple seeds in an F2 pod and I had great hopes it might stay. I was very surprised as I had never seen it before. Here is a photo (in the 4th post from top of the page):
www.growingfoodsavingseeds.co.uk/forum/main-forum/general-topics/8793-harvesting-2018/page2

Ok, you have just 'adjusted' my hopes and expectations here, @keen

[galina]

Jul 30, 2018 12:18:26 GMT -5 ethin said:

In other pea new I had a Naturally Occurring Hybrid show up in the shelling peas.

Also I think those purple seeds that came from Joseph Lofthouse Soup pea mix last year where F2 and about half the F3 seed this year is also purple so unless all the purple disappears next year we have some new strains of purple seeded (snap) peas.

What was the hybrid ethin? And would we have to wait for the F2 generation to see whether it is a hybrid or a mutation?

Is this 'half of the F3 seed is also purple' a broad brush statement or did you count (or estimate) the harvested seeds? What I am trying to get at is that it isn't a straightforward Mendellian ratio.

Having for the first time ever got purple seeds here, I'd be absolutely delighted if half were still purple in my F3 generation next year.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

Aug 2, 2018 3:49:42 GMT -5 galina said:

Aug 1, 2018 22:42:00 GMT -5 keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) said:

Sometimes purpleish peas will show up in golden sweet heritage and others, presumably from environmental effects, these kind never stay the next generation. Purple Passion is the only one i know of that does.

Great pity if this is true. For the first time ever I have got all fully dark purple seeds in an F2 pod and I had great hopes it might stay. I was very surprised as I had never seen it before. Here is a photo (in the 4th post from top of the page):
www.growingfoodsavingseeds.co.uk/forum/main-forum/general-topics/8793-harvesting-2018/page2

Ok, you have just 'adjusted' my hopes and expectations here, @keen

Yeah, but you never know till you grow it. But i remember clearly an old thread from this forum and toad soren had one.

P.s. send me a pm with your address and a list of peas you are interested in. I think i lost your address. I sent robert benchley some awhile back in England if you know him. robertb

[ethin]

Ok, here is the seed from last year that I'm guessing came from F2 Plants.

And here is this years seed.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

ethin, huh, well that sure looks like the purple passion gene to me. Regardless, cool!

[galina]

Wow ethin so many. Interesting ratio. The F3 generation looks like slightly less than half to me and the F2 not all purple either. But just look at them!

@keen Yes growing them is the only way to know for sure. After a few year's selection, it should become obvious whether it is genetic or environmental. Thank you for the hint about toad soren. I did have a conversation with Robert about them, but I don't think he is growing them anymore. Wish me luck next year.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

May 24, 2018 20:48:50 GMT -5 keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) said:

Nap gene peas do indeed have easier access to bees. I think nap gene peas are worth investigating more, and they already have wrinkled seeds, so they might taste good already!

www.flickr.com/photos/57674169@N04/shares/9980g8

EDIT:

Here are two photos of the flowers of the NAP gene peas. They are open at the top so a bee could get in much easier than a traditional pea flower which is all tight and closed up. Not as dramatic as i was hoping for, but i think they certainly have potential. There is another mutation i want to plant out and study next season if i can as it may also have open flowers. If that one is just as open as these then both lines might be worth pursuing. Perhaps even crossing together (though both are recessive traits, but on different loci).

20180524_195144 by Andrew Barney, on Flickr

20180524_195206 by Andrew Barney, on Flickr

Hey Anyone i may have sent pea seeds to:

Do you by chance still have seeds for the NAP gene peas I may have sent you? If so, my stock is out as I must have had a crop failure. It's a variety I liked a lot, so I'm trying to track it down from anyone I may have sent seed to.

Thanks!!

-Andrew