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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Apr 26, 2018 0:13:46 GMT -5
This is sort of a funny opposite thread because of Gilbert's late peach bloom thread.
In my case peas (Pisum sativum). I wonder if an earlier pea variety would be worth something.
I have two accessions i requested from separate gene banks from Europe. One I had to pay a hefty price for. Much more than was probably worth but at least I got a few other rare seeds for my trouble.
Anyway, I have two that sound interesting. And maybe more interesting if bred together.
1. 'EARLY FLOWERING
2. fast growing mutant
No room to grow them right now unfortunately.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Apr 26, 2018 10:06:40 GMT -5
I wonder if an earlier pea variety would be worth something. Being first to market with any crop is very lucrative at the farmer's market. |
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Post by steve1 on May 4, 2018 4:00:53 GMT -5
I know I have a review on all the flowering genes from the tas uni genetics department hiding on my laptop. Let me dig it up. They may still have some germ plasm.
Will let you know. Do you know what genes you’re after?
Cheers
Steve
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Post by shmack1 on May 4, 2018 22:01:22 GMT -5
This is sort of a funny opposite thread because of Gilbert's late peach bloom thread. In my case peas (Pisum sativum). I wonder if an earlier pea variety would be worth something. I have two accessions i requested from separate gene banks from Europe. One I had to pay a hefty price for. Much more than was probably worth but at least I got a few other rare seeds for my trouble. Anyway, I have two that sound interesting. And maybe more interesting if bred together. 1. 'EARLY FLOWERING 2. fast growing mutant No room to grow them right now unfortunately. I need a fast maturing variety to plant in autumn (fall for most of you) I tend to get really hot weather when I need to plant them to avoid frosts, so I want something I can plant abit later, which is a bit cooler and mature before hard frosts set in, first peas for the season pay a premium! |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on May 4, 2018 23:16:04 GMT -5
I need a fast maturing variety to plant in autumn (fall for most of you) I tend to get really hot weather when I need to plant them to avoid frosts, so I want something I can plant abit later, which is a bit cooler and mature before hard frosts set in, first peas for the season pay a premium! Do you know how many days that would need to be? Heat I don't really think will be a problem (though I need to do more trials to find out), but heat AND early I don't know. If not, maybe it could be bred. But I will be trying to record useful data on the peas I do have planted this year, including days-to-flower, days-to-pod-eating (if appropriate), and days-to-dry-pod. Also what temps are you thinking they would need to thrive in at that time. P.s. what kind of peas? The trend seems to be SNAP peas are preferred to all others. I'm working on a plan to steadily work with more snap peas and trial the ones I haven't and adapt the ones I still have or breed them with others. In general snap peas don't seem to like my climate compared to others. Maybe all these other people that are having trouble with peas are really having trouble with snap peas like I am. I think basically my earliest pea is the red podded one. I will need to double check on that, but I don't expect that one to be particularly heat tolerant as it is also the first variety to die off I think. |
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Post by shmack1 on May 6, 2018 5:09:34 GMT -5
I need a fast maturing variety to plant in autumn (fall for most of you) I tend to get really hot weather when I need to plant them to avoid frosts, so I want something I can plant abit later, which is a bit cooler and mature before hard frosts set in, first peas for the season pay a premium! Do you know how many days that would need to be? Heat I don't really think will be a problem (though I need to do more trials to find out), but heat AND early I don't know. If not, maybe it could be bred. But I will be trying to record useful data on the peas I do have planted this year, including days-to-flower, days-to-pod-eating (if appropriate), and days-to-dry-pod. Also what temps are you thinking they would need to thrive in at that time. P.s. what kind of peas? The trend seems to be SNAP peas are preferred to all others. I'm working on a plan to steadily work with more snap peas and trial the ones I haven't and adapt the ones I still have or breed them with others. In general snap peas don't seem to like my climate compared to others. Maybe all these other people that are having trouble with peas are really having trouble with snap peas like I am. I think basically my earliest pea is the red podded one. I will need to double check on that, but I don't expect that one to be particularly heat tolerant as it is also the first variety to die off I think. 60 days would work , and we still get 30+ Celsius days then. Yes snaps and snows are what I'm after. Your peas did not like the hot spell we had and a caterpillar got into them I think most of them died unfortunately, if I really babied them they probably would have made it, but I'm not wanting to do that . I had some snow peas I was doing a seed increase on, that really thrived last season did not miss a beat! They are a Turkish heirloom I got from " 2 seeds in a pod "in Florida I think there based. My dad has been saving seed from "Oregon giant" for many seasons and it seems to be fairly heat tolerant and adapted now.. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on May 6, 2018 7:37:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the preliminary grow report on 'Heavily-branched". Sad to hear most of them died and failed to thrive, but it tis what it tis I suppose. If any do survive It would be interesting to hear about later on. In my garden they seem to be slow growing so far which had surprised me. Perhaps not as robust as i thought. But we will see. It is still early.
No, babying is not worth it. I tried growing Amish Snap three years in a row and still after 3 years it did pitiful for me, so it self eliminated itself out of the populaation.
I will keep an eye on any new lines I am working on that may fit your criteria. I am mixing up the genetics so much in some lines that who knows what new combinations of genes I will get. In addition I have a few samples of Germaplasm of P. Fulvum and others from Turkey and maybe Africa that may have robust genomes. They are far from snow or snap peas, but crossing with one may produce something worth while. The Pisum fulvum line I got had a particular unusual stacking of genes including a new flower color not seem in domestic P. Sativum lines and an interesting purple lines gene on the pods suposedly. Including many others.
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Post by steve1 on May 31, 2018 23:38:02 GMT -5
Yes, P.fulvum has an orange coloured flower, two genes as I recall from that Tasmanian PHD thesis. Just a heads up it’s not an easy - straight forward cross. due to inter specific incompatibility. Flowers are small and as a side note the pods have explosive dehiscence. The immature pods taste very pea like and also carry some good (multi gene) resistance (at least in some accessions) to ascochyta which I think templeton might be troubled by... Cheers Steve |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 11, 2020 23:57:21 GMT -5
Yes, P.fulvum has an orange coloured flower, two genes as I recall from that Tasmanian PHD thesis. Just a heads up it’s not an easy - straight forward cross. due to inter specific incompatibility. Flowers are small and as a side note the pods have explosive dehiscence. The immature pods taste very pea like and also carry some good (multi gene) resistance (at least in some accessions) to ascochyta which I think templeton might be troubled by... Cheers Steve Was sorting my quickly harvested peas from last season. I found a bag labeled yellows, orc, and pisum fulvum. Orc were easy to separate from non orc. And there were some large very black seeds in the mix that I can only ascribe to pisum fulvum. Either they are full p. Fulvum, a natural hybrid, or not at all (not likely given my black seeded pisum Sativum was about 6-10ft away in another row. Thing is, these seeds are much larger than the ones I planted. I have noticed leaf cutter bees in my garden two seasons ago. They are the types that cross pollinate the legume alfalfa, so it's very possible with my dense pea plantings that they have been pollinating some. The black seeds did come from a curled explosive pod. |
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Post by steve1 on Jan 13, 2020 3:55:13 GMT -5
Keen101 - could be. From 5 F1 plants I got three viable (large for x fulvum) seeds and about 5 smaller non viable seeds all black in color. From the three F2 plants that germinated last year - one had a weird chlorophyll defect which it eventually outgrew. One plant is still growing and producing pods albeit slowly. I haven’t looked at the seeds of all the pods yet, but viability is better this generation. I might have 40 or 50 f3 plants to go on with.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 13, 2020 8:09:28 GMT -5
Keen101 - could be. From 5 F1 plants I got three viable (large for x fulvum) seeds and about 5 smaller non viable seeds all black in color. From the three F2 plants that germinated last year - one had a weird chlorophyll defect which it eventually outgrew. One plant is still growing and producing pods albeit slowly. I haven’t looked at the seeds of all the pods yet, but viability is better this generation. I might have 40 or 50 f3 plants to go on with. Ok cool. I will probably grow these out just to find out. But let me know how your progress goes. P. fulvum has some very interesting traits im interested in. I really want that orange-ish flower color and I think one report said they might have a purple striping gene. Joseph definitley wants them for pest resistance. If you ever have more pure p. fulvum seed and/or hybrid seed to share I would be interested. I should also check that spot this year just in case any seeds germinate a year late. (I can't remember how many seed coats I nicked, but I could have sworn I had the whole row germinate. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Feb 25, 2022 12:24:27 GMT -5
Yes, P.fulvum has an orange coloured flower, two genes as I recall from that Tasmanian PHD thesis. Just a heads up it’s not an easy - straight forward cross. due to inter specific incompatibility. Flowers are small and as a side note the pods have explosive dehiscence. The immature pods taste very pea like and also carry some good (multi gene) resistance (at least in some accessions) to ascochyta which I think templeton might be troubled by... Cheers Steve Did you ever get P. fulvum hybrids? I'm still interested in those orange flowers. Sounds like it might be the yellow cit gene for flavonoids and when combined with the other gene for anthocyanins they appear orange. We are talking peas on the OSSI forum. There is a paper that says fulvum hybrids are a month earlier flowering than P. Sativum! My new 'Alaska' x p. elatius hybrids are probably a month early flowering as well! |
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