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Post by PapaVic on Aug 8, 2008 15:32:10 GMT -5
He's very confused.
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Post by winter unfazed on Aug 9, 2008 12:08:38 GMT -5
And he's the one who accused ME of being a "Closet Homosexual"!
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Post by landarc on Aug 9, 2008 14:35:02 GMT -5
There is a difference between homosexuality and gender confusion. People who have find intimacy with closets of the same gender as themselves are 'closet homosexuals' similar to 'wardrobe homosexuals' but harder to get rid of due to their feelings of being walled in. Gender confusion has to do with genetic discrepancies and an inability to associate ones inner self with disturbing external appearances. I think we know where KC is.
I am a little surprised that you would bring up your closet fetish again WU.
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Post by vermiman on Sept 16, 2008 19:37:27 GMT -5
It would be, if these lower life forms were not kept in check by people like our friends here. So if I'm a Christian, I'm a lower life form? And if my religion is atheistic darwinism, I am just one of the gang here right? I choose to believe that man was molded out of dirt by the Creator. I refuse to believe that man has evolved by chance over millions of years. Both (religions) have man coming from dirt. One can choose to believe(have faith) in whatever he wants. But I choose to believe in the one that takes far less faith. I am not as Bible thumper but I did get offended at some of the remarks left here. Anyone who's pro-life and pro-war must really be torn up inside. Can't imagine how they live with themselves. Can't see your point there. It's not the babies choice to give their life for the liberals beliefs. But when a soldier enlists in the military he knows the risk that he is getting him(her)self into. It would be a different story if there was still a draft.
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Post by lavandulagirl on Sept 16, 2008 20:01:58 GMT -5
Vermiman - as to the first part of your post... don't get too het up about the people here. This thread was a reaction to some very closed minded posts on another site. The thread here kind of got out of hand as well. In general, the people here are very accepting of all beliefs.
As to the second part, I think the point was that not all deaths in a war are military deaths. There are innocent lives lost in bombings every day. Not all, of course, the fault of Americans, but just the same. There really can't be a war without "collateral damage".
In any case, we're really good folks here. We, as I've said before, squabble like brothers and sisters. Consider this a big Italian Sunday dinner of a forum. ;D I can be the auntie who makes killer lasagna, but drinks too much chianti... hahahaha!
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Post by vermiman on Sept 16, 2008 20:33:56 GMT -5
It is true that there is (collateral damage) but it's still far less damage than abortion. I do believe that we should've done what we could to prevent (collateral damage). I don't think that we should use the term (collateral damage) because innocent human life should be preserved. But that I guess that would be easier said than done.
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Post by sammyqc on Sept 16, 2008 21:16:20 GMT -5
Not to stir the pot, or anything, but Darwinism is not exactly a 'religion'. Religion is a belief. Creationism is a belief. Darwinism and evolution are scientific theories. The two are not the same. You are welcome to your beliefs, but they are not even on the same planet as theories. I mean no insult, but this drives me nuts when people compare the two. You can not logically do it!!!!
There are many religions that can and do incorporate scientific knowledge/discovery/theory into their belief systems. And you are welcome to believe whatever you wish. You can be a Pastafarian here, and that's great!!! (I am a token Pastafarian myself!)
And, no, you would not be considered a lower life form, by any means, simply because of your beliefs. If you respect others, and their ideas, that makes all the difference in the world. Maybe have a conversation or two, without launching into the 'abortion is murder' diatribe would help.
Auntie Lav is the good Catholic girl, who wears the short skirts with her school uniform and has all the boys here drooling while playing mod and drinking her wine, while the rest of this weird Italian family duke it out!!!
But then again, maybe I should keep my yap shut! Or not.
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Post by grungy on Sept 16, 2008 21:44:14 GMT -5
Before this heats up again, may I just put in my two cents worth. Every individual has their own personal belief system. Try and respect each other's opinions, and remember that is exactly what they are, OPINIONS. I can call my self a Christian, or Buddist, or Jewish, or ect. and live by the tenements of that faith. However I (or anyone else for that matter) do not have the right to tell others how to live. The problem with pro-life verses pro-choice, is when the individual decides is when life begins. Sorry, for me life begins when the "baby" is able to survive without it's mother's internal care. Much like a rosehip is only a potential bouquet of roses. But again that is MY opinion and not necessarily anyone elses on the forum. Please just respect each other's rights to have an opinion and understand that they may be different, but no less or more important than anyone elses.
By the way if Lav can be the chianti embibing aunt, then I guess, I shall have to be the crochety old grandma, that makes a cold room full of winter garden treats.
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Post by flowerpower on Sept 16, 2008 23:06:02 GMT -5
Before this heats up again, may I just put in my two cents worth. Every individual has their own personal belief system. Try and respect each other's opinions, and remember that is exactly what they are, OPINIONS.... ...Please just respect each other's rights to have an opinion and understand that they may be different, but no less or more important than anyone elses. I totally agree. And this is NOT going to start up again! Alan has no extra time to be moderating this thread.
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Post by winter unfazed on Sept 17, 2008 9:33:55 GMT -5
I think the main difference in Creation and Evolution/Darwinism worldviews is that one is theistic, the other is non-theistic.
Also, there's a difference between Darwinism (a belief system) and evolution (a scientific theory). Evolution simply means change in organisms over time, due to natural and sexual selection. Even the most conservative creationists believe in that sort of evolution to some extent. Dogs and wolves evolved from a common ancestor; mint and pennyroyal evolved from a common ancestor, etc.
Darwinism takes it one step further and says that evolution is responsible for everything that is, or was, or ever will be. At that point it becomes a worldview or a philosophical stance, and requires just as much faith as religious beliefs do.
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Post by grungy on Sept 17, 2008 11:02:41 GMT -5
I repeat = your opinion.
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Post by PapaVic on Sept 17, 2008 17:23:21 GMT -5
Now the rainman gave me two cures, Then he said, jump right in The one was Texas medicine, The other was just railroad gin And like a fool I mixed them And it strangled up my mind, And now people just get uglier And I have no sense of time Oh, mama, can this really be the end, To be stuck inside of Mobile With the Memphis blues again
Robert Zimmerman
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Post by sammyqc on Sept 17, 2008 21:20:51 GMT -5
He has a way with words, gotta love him. Desire's been on my player lately, missed him for a long time, just didn't know it till I went to visit home and looked through the millions of records, tapes an cd's of my dad's vast collection. It's always been my favorite Dylan, and one of my fave albums of all time. And I realized how much I've been missing music around my house.
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Post by Alan on Sept 25, 2008 22:00:05 GMT -5
I just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for keeping this thread from coming off of the rails while I was away, I really appreciate it.
Verminman, I just want to let you know that we don't hold anyones religions or belief systems against them, the only reason this thread came up is because of the persicution of other belief systems and the frustration surrounding that on another gardening forum.
All denominations, spiritualities, nationalities, and races are allowed on this site as long as they can respect and behave like adults towards other users.
We welcome and love diversity and ideas. We will not get into petty arguments over beliefs, when the conversation heads in that direction we try to leave it up to both sides to realize their folly and head it off at the pass.
Your friend, Alan R. Bishop
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