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Post by raymondo on Feb 21, 2009 5:15:55 GMT -5
I found a good description of the differences in a publication on Cucurbits. I'll post them when I get a moment, but essentially the pepos are easy because, as indicated above, the fruit stem is pentagonal in cross-section and the leaves are divided, often markedly so. Moschata fruit stems are noticeably flared at the apex (the fruit end) and may be slightly angled, maxima fruit stems are not markedly flared and are round. There are also differences in leaf stem and seed. I'll put it all together, with the crossing info, and post it.
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Post by grungy on Feb 21, 2009 10:43:27 GMT -5
Please do, Raymondo. Thanks in advance.
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Post by bunkie on Feb 22, 2009 11:55:17 GMT -5
great pics of the pepo and maxima orflo. very helpful.
marjeta, i will PM you in the fall. thanks!
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Post by canadamike on Feb 22, 2009 21:26:55 GMT -5
I can recognize them by the stems, but I am trying to understand the word ''flared'' in the context. Net dictionaries are not helping me, sorry...
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Post by grungy on Feb 22, 2009 23:33:59 GMT -5
Michel, flared is like the bottom outside of a volcano, or how a full skirt spreads out when a girl spins.
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Post by canadamike on Feb 22, 2009 23:56:04 GMT -5
You mean when she notices me?
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Post by grunt on Feb 23, 2009 2:27:40 GMT -5
Here's Raymondo's PDF page as an image, the best I could do with it. If you want to download the image, its at picasaweb.google.ca/TVgrunt/2008TOMATOLANDPOSTS#5305881413371651858A little later on I'll try and reproduce it as a text file so you can find it from searching for some of its contents. Or you could just save the image from this page or get Evernote and save the page with an appropriate tag. Cheers Dan
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Post by grunt on Feb 23, 2009 3:50:38 GMT -5
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Post by flowerpower on Feb 23, 2009 5:32:54 GMT -5
I just saved the image as a pic and it was fine to read. Thanks Ray, Grunt & Grungy for posting this. I find it very helpful. I think others will too.
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Post by bunkie on Feb 23, 2009 11:04:35 GMT -5
looks great!
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Post by raymondo on Feb 23, 2009 15:40:59 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that grunt. I can't get into my web site so can't post a link to the pdf. I didn't think of just scanning it.
What I haven't been able to find out yet is the ease with which the various species will cross. The source for the diagram didn't say, just that it was possible or that embryo rescue was required.
Anyway, I guess the implication is that you probably shouldn't grow any two of the species together and expect to get pure seed. Luckily for these plants, hand pollination is easy and it's very easy to seal the flowers so that nosey insects can't undo your handiwork!
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Post by grunt on Feb 24, 2009 3:10:36 GMT -5
Raymondo: I knew I had seen something on the net about it, but couldn't remember where until I came on the link to www.realseeds.co.uk/ in the multiflora thread. Here's the link www.realseeds.co.uk/research.htmlThey don't actually get into the family names, but you can get that from the varieties they use (I think) Cheers Dan
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Post by raymondo on Feb 24, 2009 5:06:24 GMT -5
Interesting. He's certainly been mixing them up - moschatas, maximas and pepos. It would definitely be nice to get some of the wonderful flavours of the moschatas into a shorter season pepo or maxima. This is what mybighair is proposing I guess.
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