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Post by canadamike on Feb 26, 2010 14:03:14 GMT -5
Grapeseed oil is quite neutral. It is a perfect salad oil, as it adds the oily part to the dressing while taking the flavors you want it to take. Much better to me than olive oil in salad( unless it is the pricey cold pressed one). Feels less fat in the mouth and looks less gooey on the greens. Don't get me wrong, I love a good olive oil, but the one we can afford for daily use is fair at best. The cold pressed is more expensive here than grape seed oil. 8$ a liter for the cheapest olives, 5$ for grape seeds. The cheap olive oil is good for frying, but grape seed is better. It has one of the highest burning point of all the oils, even better than olive. Makes fantastic fries, but is a bit pricey for that purpose
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Post by mnjrutherford on Feb 26, 2010 16:20:14 GMT -5
Oh now that is interesting. I'm not overly fond of olive oil for salads either, but the grape seed oil sounds lovely! I'm going to have to verify prices again, I purchase olive oil by the half gallon... around 2 literes I think? I don't use it for deep frying EXCEPT potatoes, and that only rarely. When I make stir fries, I really like peanut oil because of both flavor, and the high burn point. I'd like to make a comparison with the grape seed oil though. Maybe we should make an oil exchange
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Post by canadamike on Feb 26, 2010 22:03:26 GMT -5
Peanut oil and grape seed oil are, in real life , whatever scientists say, very very close.Grape seed is more neutral, but nevertheless tasty, discreet and refined.Both are sexy southern belles in my mind.
Peanut oil is a little less neutral, but we are talking true ''taste family'' here.
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Post by mnjrutherford on Feb 27, 2010 10:57:54 GMT -5
You are so correct, peanut oil is not neutral at all. I find that the flavor pairs beautifully with the sultry flavors of garlic, ginger, sesame, and palm sugar which I use as the flavor base for many stir fries and also to marinate meats destined to become plump little dumplings. Flavor wise, peanut oil is more closely related to sesame oil. What a lovely discussion.. I believe I need to cook
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Post by Walk on Feb 28, 2010 9:23:42 GMT -5
" The Sunflower Seed Huller and Oil Press journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/oilpress.html " This oil press is much like the apple press we made except "upside down". The piston on our cider press is on top, the cylinder is raised from below with a 3 ton, long-throw jack. The perforated stainless steel cylinder is about 12" diameter and sits in a stainless steel pan (above the jack) that has a spout (pipe) at one corner to drain off the liquid. It looks like I can make a smaller cylinder and piston to retrofit for oil pressing. We used to buy sunflower seed oil from a farm about 20 miles away but they long ago quit business. I remember their press room - it was about 100 degrees F. in there so the oil would flow easily, and they were running a large screw press. You can find screw presses for sale but they cost a lot - maybe several families could get one together otherwise cost prohibitive. The only downside to sunny seed oil is the high Omega 6 levels. Apparently it's easy to get lots of Omega 6 which needs to be balanced out with Omega 3 for optimum health. Flax and hemp are good sources for Omega 3, as well walnuts and pumpkin seeds. Hazelnuts are supposed to be nutritionally similar to olive oil. There is a push in our region to plant hybrid hazels, bred by Badgersett, with the goal of commercial production eventually. I hope to be able to source local oil someday, but my 38 hazelnut bushes are a long way from that goal. I don't have any info on grapeseed oil, but it would be nice to make oil of an otherwise wasted product. Something to do with all the seedy, wild concord grapes around here that are otherwise pretty inedible?
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Post by bunkie on Feb 28, 2010 11:01:30 GMT -5
i wonder if one could sprout grape seeds?
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Post by spacecase0 on Feb 28, 2010 12:22:52 GMT -5
i wonder if one could sprout grape seeds? I can get them to sprout, it takes them about a year, I have never tried to speed it up... are you thinking of eating the sprouts ?
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Post by canadamike on Feb 28, 2010 17:09:17 GMT -5
Mine are being stratified as it is...
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Post by pugs on Feb 28, 2010 21:32:14 GMT -5
So sorry to get back to the topic, but I picked up some packs of Triple Treat seeds today. I also have some extra Kakai seeds from Johnny's.
So if anyone wants to try these, PM me your address and I'll mail you some seeds. I should have enough for 7 request.
Pugs
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Post by canadamike on Feb 28, 2010 23:04:51 GMT -5
Pugs, if these are naked seeded squash I would like some. And I have lots of cultivars I would like people to pick up and try, so you are invited like all the folks..
But I realize I have a lot more land and equipment than most here, so it might be better for most if I trial first then act accordingly after. I do not think I'll have the time to self squashes, with all the melon and tomato and potato work, and the corn and all the rest.
At the very minimum, I should be able to offer some mass crossed seeds from the best mothers.
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Post by Alan on Mar 1, 2010 22:56:06 GMT -5
" The Sunflower Seed Huller and Oil Press journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/oilpress.html " This oil press is much like the apple press we made except "upside down". The piston on our cider press is on top, the cylinder is raised from below with a 3 ton, long-throw jack. The perforated stainless steel cylinder is about 12" diameter and sits in a stainless steel pan (above the jack) that has a spout (pipe) at one corner to drain off the liquid. It looks like I can make a smaller cylinder and piston to retrofit for oil pressing. We used to buy sunflower seed oil from a farm about 20 miles away but they long ago quit business. I remember their press room - it was about 100 degrees F. in there so the oil would flow easily, and they were running a large screw press. You can find screw presses for sale but they cost a lot - maybe several families could get one together otherwise cost prohibitive. The only downside to sunny seed oil is the high Omega 6 levels. Apparently it's easy to get lots of Omega 6 which needs to be balanced out with Omega 3 for optimum health. Flax and hemp are good sources for Omega 3, as well walnuts and pumpkin seeds. Hazelnuts are supposed to be nutritionally similar to olive oil. There is a push in our region to plant hybrid hazels, bred by Badgersett, with the goal of commercial production eventually. I hope to be able to source local oil someday, but my 38 hazelnut bushes are a long way from that goal. I don't have any info on grapeseed oil, but it would be nice to make oil of an otherwise wasted product. Something to do with all the seedy, wild concord grapes around here that are otherwise pretty inedible? That is awesome! Keep stuff like that coming please! I need some new ideas here and there and this one has given me one.
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Post by pugs on Mar 2, 2010 19:51:33 GMT -5
Michel,
Yes, they are naked-seed varieties, please PM me your address and I'll mail them out to you.
Pugs
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Post by canadamike on Mar 12, 2010 4:08:11 GMT -5
Pugs: Did I sent you my adress??
Walk: those inedible wild concord grapes as you call them can give you much more than oil: they make an absolutely amazing jelly, better than store bought one, and their by steaming them in those double pots ( with the one sitting on the other pierced in the bottom, dunno the english name) you can make a fantastic grape juice concentrate. Add some sugar to taste, put it in wine bottles, then dilute it in water to get an exact replica of commercial grape juice. The dilution is a matter of concentration of flavors, in my case it was about 2 parts water for one grape ''syrup'' or concentrate.
Since you need to rid the seeds of the flesh, why not kill 2 birds with one stone?
The seeds need to me cleaned before pressing, it was confirmed to be by the representative of one such screw press manufacturer.
I guess the vertical water bath technique we use for tomato seeds or else would do the trick.
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Post by pugs on Mar 12, 2010 19:51:52 GMT -5
Michel,
Yes, you did send my your address, the seeds went out last week.
Pugs
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Post by pierre on Jul 21, 2010 9:17:11 GMT -5
Michel
How big are these Naked Seeded Squashes fruits. I have some here french Riviera I got from Long Island Seed Project fruits are not so big as under 1Kg.
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