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Post by lpnewman on Jun 21, 2010 14:44:15 GMT -5
Hello everyone,
I am new to the forum! I stumbled upon it looking for information about a high elevation flour corn called Vadito Blue from Nativeseed.org. I know that many of the corn lines from Native seeds are inbred but Alan (I think) mentioned that Vadito was in better shape than most. I am fascinated with short season corn and would like to both maintain some old varieties and try my hand at breeding my own 'crazy tough short season corn.'
Someone mentioned that they were growing out Vadito to increase stock. I would love to help and be involved in any way. I have a small piece of ground at 8000' in the Rockies that would be a good test plot. I just want to know that I have a decent genetic base for starting.
Also, if anyone with any other info on the other high elevation corn varieties form Nativeseed would contact me I would really appreciate it. It breaks my hear that these amazing corn races are inbred and going extinct. I will be growing out several varieties next year just to see how bad they are but if I could get some additional DNA in the genepool that would be awesome.
Happy solstice, Lucas
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Post by blueadzuki on Jun 21, 2010 17:02:49 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I am new to the forum! I stumbled upon it looking for information about a high elevation flour corn called Vadito Blue from Nativeseed.org. I know that many of the corn lines from Native seeds are inbred but Alan (I think) mentioned that Vadito was in better shape than most. I am fascinated with short season corn and would like to both maintain some old varieties and try my hand at breeding my own 'crazy tough short season corn.' Someone mentioned that they were growing out Vadito to increase stock. I would love to help and be involved in any way. I have a small piece of ground at 8000' in the Rockies that would be a good test plot. I just want to know that I have a decent genetic base for starting. Also, if anyone with any other info on the other high elevation corn varieties form Nativeseed would contact me I would really appreciate it. It breaks my hear that these amazing corn races are inbred and going extinct. I will be growing out several varieties next year just to see how bad they are but if I could get some additional DNA in the genepool that would be awesome. Happy solstice, Lucas lpnewman, in my garden this year I am playing around with some colored strains of Peruvian corn like this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peruvian_corn.jpg (most of mine looks like variations of the purple and white speckeld cob in the upper left, but with cob shapes closer to the shorter, squatter cobs below) IF (and according to waht I've read, that's a pretty big "if") I actually manage to get any of it to produce here (a lot of corns from Peru are used to a growing season that is increadibly long since much of the Andes remains more or less the same temperature year round (remember a lot of it is technically in the tropics. It may be cool in many parts but it is cool constantly) I may have some seed to spare (If you're in a real hurry I do still have a bit of seed left over, however since I was trying for a more colorful result (and consequently planted every speckled and colored kernel) most of what I have left is boring flat white, from a cob that really has almost no color genes. Plus of course, I assume you'd prefer to know if the stuff can actually produce this far north (you don't seem to have listed your location but I'm in New York so unless you are even further north than me if it works for me it should work for you) before you took seed.) If it does produce up here, it might be a good addition to the mix after all in corn growing terms you can't get much more "high elevation" than the Andes!
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Post by lpnewman on Jun 21, 2010 19:19:38 GMT -5
Wow, the Peruvian corn is beautiful! I look forward to learning of your results. You are a bit north of me-I am in Colorado. My problem is that I lack the space to grow out as many varieties as I would like--kid in a candy store!! Some discipline has forced me to keep my projects focused on the corn varieties adapted to the Southwest US. Part of this I'm sure is because my family has such a deep connection to this place-my grandfather was Navajo. Cheers!
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Post by blueadzuki on Jun 21, 2010 20:18:02 GMT -5
Wow, the Peruvian corn is beautiful! I look forward to learning of your results. You are a bit north of me-I am in Colorado. My problem is that I lack the space to grow out as many varieties as I would like--kid in a candy store!! Some discipline has forced me to keep my projects focused on the corn varieties adapted to the Southwest US. Part of this I'm sure is because my family has such a deep connection to this place-my grandfather was Navajo. Cheers! you think you've got problems I've got literally hundreds of kernels, covering dozen of interesting varities.......and a corn patch that can hold maybe 100 plants, max. There are corn samples I have been saving for planting that are going on 5 years old, simply because I have no where to put them! I'm 99% sure I still have a few kernels left of "Rainbow Zamia" which was the very first cob I ever selected to try and breed (most of my samples are not named esabished varieties but are simpy kenels from cobs I saw at farmers markets or elsewhere and simply decided looked like the woud be worth propigating (the Peruvian stuff actually came from some cobs I found in a bodega in the UES of NYC last fall being sold as "Indian corn" I'm going back this fall, as there was more than I could buy at the time) and I'm fairly sure that I was still in colledge when I found that (Rainbow Zamia is a mulicolored ancho (wide kerneled) flour/flint marked by a wide stubby cob and kernels whose curve is basically flush with the curve of the cob so that the whole thing resembles a hand grenade or as the name imples a Zamia cone (it's a kind of cycad)
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 21, 2010 20:50:17 GMT -5
If I get a good crop this fall, I'd be willing to send you some samples of my corn. No specific variety name. Originally started with a few different varieties, so some may be hybrids. They don't show signs of inbred depreciation or stunted growth though. I don't know if they are adapted to high elevations, but i think they are adapted to this region. I think most of the original varieties used to be grown near Boulder. I live in Loveland, so I'm at about 5000', I assume you are somewhere near Estes Park.
You don't say if you are looking for "Indian Corn" or Sweet corn. I grow only Indian corn, except for a small plot of Double Red Sweet this year.
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Post by lpnewman on Jun 24, 2010 17:35:24 GMT -5
Hey- thanks. Flour/flint is what I am looking at. I have the sweet corn I am looking for-Luther Hill. Currently I am working to adapt this delicious variety to my climate.
I am both in Grand County near Lake Granby and in Denver (with a big lot!)
Thanks for the offer of seeds. Let me know how the harvest goes. Happy growing.
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Post by spacecase0 on Jun 29, 2010 16:06:39 GMT -5
the Vadito Blue corn has a magic color to it, I have been having dreams about it, so I guess I have to grow it now, but I wonder if it can take 105F days in at least part of the growing season, or should I try it in the cool damp weather of the SF bay area ?, I don't have a high elevation garden to give it
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