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Post by gray on Aug 15, 2011 20:59:47 GMT -5
Has anyone grown these corns, particularly double red, rainbow inca and true gold? The double red sure looks good.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 15, 2011 21:33:18 GMT -5
I grew the seeds from a packet labeled "Rainbow Inca" sweet corn... But I think the seed got mixed up, because there wasn't anything at all sweet about it.
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Post by blueadzuki on Aug 15, 2011 22:21:17 GMT -5
I grew the seeds from a packet labeled "Rainbow Inca" sweet corn... But I think the seed got mixed up, because there wasn't anything at all sweet about it. Maybe not, the one year I grew Rainbow Inca, it really dissapointed me as well. I think that Seeds of Change released it before it had really stabilized. Most of the sweet kernels produced no colors whatsoever, and most of the colored kernels produced corn that was not noticcably sweet (a lot of the one's in the packet I used actually reverted back to starchy corn by the time seed harvest occured.) It one of the main reasons why I switched over to Anasazi and Paiute, at least those were sweet and colorful.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 15, 2011 22:39:45 GMT -5
I would have classified the "Rainbow Inca" seed that I received as a dent corn based on it's taste and the characteristics of the kernel.
p.s. I was just reading "Breed your own Vegetable Varieties" and noticed a color photo of Rainbow Inca sweet corn seeds They look like regular sweet corn seeds, nothing at all like the corn seeds that I received. I don't remember who my supplier was.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Aug 16, 2011 3:07:11 GMT -5
I've grown double red. It's a great corn to try. It has some great genetics, but i don't know about flavor. Last year i grew in in a very dry spot, and they suffered because of it. Got small cobs, and the squirrels attacked those like mad. So the squirrels must have loved it. they produce nice red/purple stalks with red silks. I believe one parent is from Ruby Queen, so that is one reason for the Double Red name. I didn't grow any this year, but i'm planning on only growing sweet corn next year and i think i will try a mix of double red, pickaniny (blue), and country gentleman (white"), and see what kind of interesting sweet corn i can select. Also they suffered corn smut badly that year which i think is partly because they were very stressed plants, the heat i think was perfect for the fungus, and i also think the red coloring helps feed the fungus extra sugars. But, I've heard great reviews of ruby queen, and so i say give double red a try! I think you might like it.
if anyone has some seed of the red anasazi sweet corn, I'd love to get a small packet of those myself.
P.s. I have ONE double red sweet corn plant this year. It over-summered and over-wintered apparently. I think it must have been a seed that did not germinate at all last year due to the extreme dry conditions. Maybe i will take a picture of it tomorrow.
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Post by Walk on Aug 16, 2011 11:23:00 GMT -5
We've grown True Gold. It's a great O.P. selection from Golden Jubilee hybrid. Great flavor and robust stalks and ears. Mature, dried kernels make the best parching/popping corn for corn nuts. Also makes nice cornmeal for baking. Unfortunately, it's too late season for us to maintain now that we're surrounded by GMO corn. We're thinking of trying Little Giant in its place. Anyone with experience with this variety? Any other suggestions for early pollinating sweet corns to beat the GMO corns to tassel?
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Post by DarJones on Aug 16, 2011 12:49:18 GMT -5
I grew both Rainbow Inca and True Gold back about 1994 and was not impressed with either. Rainbow Inca had a texture that was like very thick jello and was not very sweet. True Gold was decent eating but was not very productive.
DarJones
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Post by gray on Aug 16, 2011 15:37:40 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for replys. I believe I will try double red and true gold next year. Gray
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Post by Alan on Aug 16, 2011 22:57:56 GMT -5
I have grown pretty well all of Kapulers sweet corns, some with great success, others are not so well adapted to the Ohio Valley and most if not all are part of Astronomy Domine.
I personally love Rainbow Inca at the bi-color stage showing just a wee bit of color, not boiled mind you, but roasted over a fire in the husk it is amazing, then again, I also love with a passion golden bantam more than any other corn in the world including my own astronomy domine.
Double Red and the other red lines Kapuler has released all do well for me here though the production is low due to genetic drag. Taste is fantastic though I prefer a larger kernal type of corn. Ruby queen does well here too, dig around in Astronomy and you'll find the OP equivelent of Ruby Queen quickly.
Painted hills is too small and weak stemmed for my taste and the production is low, but the same holds true here of Painted Mountain.
True Gold and True Platinum are both large components of Astronomy giving taller stalks, more productivity, and stronger stalks, so too are their hybrid parents involved in the cross.
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Post by Walk on Oct 3, 2012 8:24:16 GMT -5
I was rereading this old thread. I wondered what Alan meant about the production being low on the red lines of Kapular's sweet corns due to "genetic drag." Is this the same concern I've read about with the Roy's Abenaki Calais flint corn where you shouldn't select seed from the deep red cobs as that color is linked to stunted plant growth? Could anyone clarify his statement?
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Oct 3, 2012 9:01:51 GMT -5
I was rereading this old thread. I wondered what Alan meant about the production being low on the red lines of Kapular's sweet corns due to "genetic drag." Is this the same concern I've read about with the Roy's Abenaki Calais flint corn where you shouldn't select seed from the deep red cobs as that color is linked to stunted plant growth? Could anyone clarify his statement? Since Alan is occupied with other things right now, I'll attempt to peer into his mind and his garden... As far as I know, Double Red has Hopi corn as part of it's genetic makeup. One day when I was talking to Alan on the phone, he told me that he doesn't like the Hopi corn characteristic of heavy tillering. So I'm wondering if that is the genetic drag he wrote about? Tillering works really well for me out here in the desert, and with my loose plant spacing, but not for him on his farm in the mid-west. Based on what I see in the Keen101 hybrid swarm and my other breeding work, I think that deep red cobs does not necessarily lead to stunted plant growth.
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Post by DarJones on Oct 3, 2012 9:25:10 GMT -5
The statement is correct. When a seed is homozygous for red color, the ear of corn that plant produces will be only 1/2 as productive as a heterozygous seed. Keep in mind that the endosperm is triploid and gets 3 copies of the 3 genes responsible for the red color. This leads to a lot of variation in kernel color with 4 colors always possible (no red, 1 red, 2 red, 3 red).
DarJones
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Post by mayz on Oct 3, 2012 11:11:11 GMT -5
Keep in mind that the endosperm is triploid and gets 3 copies of the 3 genes responsible for the red color. This leads to a lot of variation in kernel color with 4 colors always possible (no red, 1 red, 2 red, 3 red). DarJones The red pigments are accumulated in the diploid pericarp (a maternaly heritated tissue). So when you look a red kernel it is impossible to know the number of red alleles in the endosperm genotype. So you may have a red kernel with no red allele in the endosperm genotype.
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Post by mayz on Oct 3, 2012 11:16:53 GMT -5
No tiller in my double red!?
I read everywhere that red corn has a heavy genetic load but I haven't clear explanation about that?!
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Post by davida on Oct 3, 2012 16:04:55 GMT -5
The statement is correct. When a seed is homozygous for red color, the ear of corn that plant produces will be only 1/2 as productive as a heterozygous seed. DarJones Dar, Would you please explain this statement more in detail? I am growing Double Red and would like to understand this statement. Thanks, David
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