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Post by ohiorganic on Jan 22, 2008 16:48:53 GMT -5
The seedsavers mailing list at ibiblio is now available to those who want to subscribe. SEEDSAVERS lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/seedsaversThis list will help those interested in developing and using a seed saving and seed exchange network. The list is open to everyone and the message archives are open for public viewing.
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Post by bunkie on Jan 23, 2008 7:58:37 GMT -5
thanks ohio! will check it out!
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Post by doccat5 on Jan 23, 2008 22:33:08 GMT -5
I'm still very new and am still trying to figure out what is going on, but something certainly sounds "odd". Is the board stalling with their answers to get more time to do a better "spin" on the situation? I had recently joined the Seed Saver's Forum, I had purchased some seed and was going back to look up some information. That how I found this site, before they toasted Alan's post. Frankly, I'm not impressed with the whole 'tude over there. It seems to be a very special relationship between a limited number of people at least as far as I can see. I joined hope to learn more from other more experienced gardeners and increase my understanding about preserving various seed varieties. That ain't happen over there. I had a question about posting pictures, did not see the explanation in the faq initially. 104 people read it, 1 guy answered. Very impressive and they can't figure out why they aren't getting members? major duh!! This is a much better site, Alan. Everyone on here has been nothing but nice (well with the exception of the one gentlemen who was raving earlier on this thread, (maybe a glass of warm milk, couple of ritalin and a time out would help there) and very informative. Thanks
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Post by canadamike on Jan 26, 2008 3:51:43 GMT -5
Now, for reasons I won't elaborate on, I will tell you that I don't know the absolutely, totally whole story, but most of it ,enough anyway to understand the board's actions. I wont share it publicly but I understand the board totally. There are things that are far from being criminal , happening in many peoples lives but are pure poison for ANY organisation. Situations that end up being rotten...
It used to be my job to help non-profit groups to help deal with them.
Been there, done that, and most people if they knew more would agree with the board, IT IS THAT SIMPLE. I still think SSE's board should expand and stuff like that, but for the subject we are discussing here, it is irrelevant.
And as opposed to my previous rant against Mrs Goldman and Mr Johnston, which was nevertheless polite and nothing like character assassination, I will personnaly see that I kik my own ass and instead of boycotting, I will order seeds and buy a couple of extra books for gifts.
Being new to this net thing, I made the mistake to forget that spoken words fly but anything that is written stays. I would like this statement to be what is remembered, along with the recommandations of a cautious approach I made earlier that I even myself did not respect, albeit in a more civilized form than some of what I read.
Kent Whealy is still my hero, far from some sort of evil, but there comes a time when life itself asks for renewal. It was such a moment.
I have enough experience in such situations to understand, and repeat my total respect for the board's decision...
Michel
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Post by DarJones on Feb 6, 2008 20:34:20 GMT -5
Round two is in the hopper. Kent mailed a second letter on Feb 4th and it is arriving in mailboxes today. As previously stated, I am not a member of SSE and I don't have a horse in this race. www.selectedplants.com/misc/Kentletter2.pdfDarJones
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Post by Alan on Feb 7, 2008 21:44:40 GMT -5
Well, I certainly think that Kents suggestions/demands are pretty resonable and should probably be entertained for the sake of this entity. I still maintain that I smell a rat when it comes to Amy Goldman, but then again they may just be from an intense distrust of someone with so much money and power to throw around however she pleases while also having a vested interest in axes to the information stored by the SSE and the seeds stored there.
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Post by ohiorganic on Feb 8, 2008 9:41:31 GMT -5
the seed saving list of which i posted an URL to now has Diane Whealy (or someone named daine with a SSE email addy) on the list, or will by the end of today.
Could be interesting as the list owner is definitely a bit hostile towards Diane and Ms Goldman and he is not shy about his feelings.
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Post by jaliranchr on Feb 8, 2008 20:05:01 GMT -5
Just read more comments over at Idig. I swear ... winter unfazed is just the most curious anomaly to me. His latest comment equating the request to increase the size of the BoD to FDR wanting to increase the size of the SCOTUS is just the most perplexing example of a thought in search of a point. Oh, my goodness <shaking head in bewilderment>
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Post by sandbar on Feb 8, 2008 20:31:41 GMT -5
WWTAT? CYEY? (What's With The Acronym Talk? Can You Explain Yourself?)
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Post by paquebot on Feb 8, 2008 22:01:09 GMT -5
BoD = Board of Directors FDR = Franklin Delano Roosevelt SCOTUS = Supreme Court of the United States
Martin
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Post by sandbar on Feb 9, 2008 22:43:35 GMT -5
Thanks.
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Post by canadamike on Feb 10, 2008 0:29:55 GMT -5
Increasing the size of the board is a very serious issue, and I bet my ass it is being considered and discussed seriously now. But it is another topic. It sure would have made ANY decision by the board easier to swallow for the people. That's an evidence. It's size made it susceptible to be described as bunch organizing a ''coup''. But again, that is only perception and it does not mean it is reality.
They sure are thinking about it. And the rotten stuff they had to deal withwas nwas not easy , and any board would have suffer.
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Post by bunkie on Feb 10, 2008 18:01:52 GMT -5
canadamike, you've posted twice about what's really going on or what really happened, but gave no details. is there somewhere or something we can google so we are all let in on the deals and can make accurate judgements, like you mention, that 'the board was right to do what it did', etc...?
from the second letter, i think Kent's three requests are very reasonable. expanding the board would give the members, that are now no longer members, more say, per say.
thanks for asking about the initials sandbar...i was scratching my head too over a couple of them! peace, bunkie.
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Post by canadamike on Feb 10, 2008 18:21:03 GMT -5
I too agree with Kent requests. As for what happened, I dont know the whole story, but enough to make some judgment. It is of very personal nature, but read Kent letter, the first one. Now go back to the affair story and the divorce, and then come back to the letter. You will pretty much figure it out. Then read he advisors letters. They cover the rest of the story...and they support the board.
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Post by winter unfazed on Feb 18, 2008 11:10:09 GMT -5
Kent and Diane dispute when the organization was founded: Kent considers it to have begun in 1975 when he started informally networking with other seed collectors, while Diane considers it to have formed at formal incorporation in 1981. So Diane says she has been involved from the very beginning, and by that definition, she has. Kent says she is "lying" and "revising SSE history", because in his mind it started in 1975, and Diane wasn't very involved when Kent was first doing some little plug-nickel seed deals at the kitchen table. It's all interpretation...
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