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Post by templeton on Nov 25, 2012 8:05:13 GMT -5
I'm growing a mixed stand of raspberries and sylvanberries - a hybrid bred in the 1960's from Marionberry, Pacific X Boysen. Pacific is a cross between Zielinski and Logan. So a crazy mixed up berry, that is delicious, prolific and early. I sowed a dried up berry that had overwintered on the vine in Spring, and a month or two later got seedlings. Question is, are these likely to segregate, or come true to the Sylvan? I suppose there is a very slight chance it's a cross back to the raspberry, but they had mostly finished flowering if memory serves. I'm probably going to prick them out and grow them on anyway, but does anyone have experience with these? Would love a sylvan with less prickles. T
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Post by richardw on Nov 25, 2012 13:39:37 GMT -5
Id had never heard of sylvanberries so i did a Google on it,they look a lot like the blackberry which ive got.
Good luck T,interesting to see what comes outa that cross or in fact they have crossed
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Post by raymondo on Nov 25, 2012 14:51:43 GMT -5
They'll surely segregate T. Each will be a different berry. You'll have to start thinking of some names, especially if any of them are worth propagating vegetatively! Ummmm....where are you going to grow them? Will you be removing the last of the ornamentals? ;D
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Post by templeton on Nov 25, 2012 15:03:52 GMT -5
Id had never heard of sylvanberries so i did a Google on it,they look a lot like the blackberry which ive got. Good luck T,interesting to see what comes outa that cross or in fact they have crossed Richard, they are in the blackberry family. We have lots of blackberry strains wild here in southern Aust, but the ones I'm familiar with fruit about the first week of February. These sylvans are fruiting now. making them the earliest I know of. Have a long fruiting season, and a really tasty, large fruit that is pretty easy to pick. Apart from the masses of fine thorns.
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Post by templeton on Nov 25, 2012 15:10:48 GMT -5
They'll surely segregate T. Each will be a different berry. You'll have to start thinking of some names, especially if any of them are worth propagating vegetatively! Ummmm....where are you going to grow them? Will you be removing the last of the ornamentals? ;D Glad to hear they will start segregating. I figured they would. I wish my uncle lionel was alive - he worked in the same organisation nearby where this one was developed. Probably could have spoken to the breeder... As for space, I think my allotment landlords would be keen to grow some - they took a heap of sylvan suckers last autumn, after having tasted the berries in summer. There is the park next door. And Im actually enjoying my ornamentals this year - I'm going to plant more! Might go and prick em out this morning - first overcast and cool day for what seems like months - 35 here yesterday, and a we've had a couple of weeks of clear, dry hot windy weather. I might have to document this little experiment, see what we can learn.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Nov 25, 2012 20:47:48 GMT -5
If someone has wineberries (Rubus phoenicolasius) I would love some seed or a cutting. They are the best tasting bramble I've ever had.
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Post by blueadzuki on Nov 25, 2012 23:23:25 GMT -5
If someone has wineberries (Rubus phoenicolasius) I would love some seed or a cutting. They are the best tasting bramble I've ever had. Get back to me in the late summer; we have so many they are a weed!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 13:39:55 GMT -5
I am very fortunate to receive wild berry seeds, from distant family, every once in awhile, but would still like to find rootlets or divisions of salal and red huckleberry.
My bramble seeds have grown into 4ft vines, in 1 1/2 years, and more are always germinating, from the same 5g pots. These are outdoors and were given no special treatment, except to put them next to the hose faucet, so I remember never to let them dry out.
Whether or not they are "tame" (in other words, thornless) seems to be a result of cloning, IMHO. All of my seedlings have thorns.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 23:50:13 GMT -5
Found two weird ones, today, unidentified, in southern California.
First has whitish stems, many small blackish thorns, very long pointy leaves.
Second has huge fuzzy leaves, purplish stems, very few small thorns.
I have at least enough experience to tell raspberries from blackberries. The ones I found, today, don't remind me of anything I've ever seen in the northwest or at nurseries.
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Post by blueadzuki on Dec 10, 2012 12:07:50 GMT -5
Found two weird ones, today, unidentified, in southern California. First has whitish stems, many small blackish thorns, very long pointy leaves. Second has huge fuzzy leaves, purplish stems, very few small thorns. I have at least enough experience to tell raspberries from blackberries. The ones I found, today, don't remind me of anything I've ever seen in the northwest or at nurseries. The second one almost sounds like thimbleberry, Rubus parviflorus, except thimbleberry isn't supposed to have any thorns or prickles at all, and I'm not sure the stems are usually purple (a hybrid with some other rubus species?)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 15:58:07 GMT -5
I believe the one with the white stems may be Rubus leuco-derma, aka blackcap, natural source of blue raspberry flavor.
Unfortunately, my description of the fuzzy, larger-leafed Rubus was incomplete. These leaves are segmented as blackberries tend to be -- not one, large leaf, as in thimbleberries or slamonberries.
I am also reading that some blackberries do have fuzzy leaves.
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