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Post by DarJones on Aug 15, 2014 9:57:56 GMT -5
Oaxacan Green is a soft dent variety. If you got a flour type from it, then it is mixed.
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Post by 12540dumont on Aug 21, 2014 11:19:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the races of maize. Very interesting.
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Post by bigcorn on Sept 4, 2014 19:27:43 GMT -5
In what state are your planting your Tuscarora? I actually live on the Tuscarora reservation in western ny and are corn is just starting to get out of the milky stage. Not sure if you've ever roasted the Tuscarora corn for soup. It's fantastic! We personally have only used ate corn for the traditional use of bread and soup. I've read some of your previous threads and you mentioned that you've used itin baked goods. Could you email me rickardsguideservice@gmail.com with some recipes? I have roughly 6 and a half acres of Tuscarora in this year and so far is impressive to say the least! Only one patch had gained the attention of the whitetail and the racoons. I guess I don't mind because I kinda like the taste of white corn fed deer! Anyhow in interest in your different recipes. If you don't mind sharing let me know please. Not sure how you add a picture to this thread?
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Post by 12540dumont on Sept 5, 2014 15:35:46 GMT -5
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Post by philagardener on Sept 5, 2014 20:16:26 GMT -5
Great article, 12540dumont - thanks for sharing that! Is anyone out there growing Sehsapsing (Delaware Blue Flour) Corn? It is a First Peoples' Corn originally from my area and I'd be interested in locating a source.
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Post by 12540dumont on Sept 8, 2014 21:27:49 GMT -5
I have also discovered that in bread, muffins, waffles, etc., you can substitute 1 cup of corn flour for one cup of wheat. And don't forget tamale pie.
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Post by steev on Sept 8, 2014 22:06:59 GMT -5
Think I was in my 50s before I realized that some people put wheat flour in their cornbread.
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Post by blueadzuki on Sept 9, 2014 5:48:11 GMT -5
That's all right. I think it was only a year or so ago I realized that most rye bread is mostly wheat as well, and that there's usually some in teff bread in this country as well (I'd say the latter was adulteration, but that would be adding insult to injera )
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Post by steev on Sept 9, 2014 10:52:30 GMT -5
Get thee to a punnery!
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Post by 12540dumont on Sept 12, 2014 21:23:15 GMT -5
And another rant along the same lines...I can't believe the low germ rates in seeds that I have purchased. For the last 10 years, every year on the Fall Equinox, I decorate my door with the same 3 ears of corn. Last year, one fell off and I threw it to the chickens. Each year at Thanksgiving I put them back in the drawer in the kitchen! (under the tablecloths). Zack trolling threw the kitchen was wondering out loud whether those corns would germ.
Well, immediately we pulled off 5 kernels from each corn and threw them in a wet paper towel and put them in a plastic bag. Folks 8 germinated. That's 80% without any care at all. So how old must the corn be I purchased that gave me a 60% germ? And how in the heck did those get stored?
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Post by blueadzuki on Sept 12, 2014 22:01:07 GMT -5
I think a lot of places just don't care. I mentioned before that when I got those mini-flour and dent ears they were INFESTED with insects, and were talking things like grain moths and weevils, the kinds of bugs you would only get if you stuck the cobs in a box in a storage area and left it there for a year without ONCE looking at it. Heck some of them had actual WEBS across half the cob. Don't get me wrong I am glad that I bumped into them and that I got them but the fact is that, even for something being sold to be put up for one year and tossed, corn that looked THAT bad, with THAT many kernels with holes in them, and half the cobs shedding kernel bits left and right because they were so chewed through that there wasn't enough left of them should not have been offered for sale by ANYONE trying to stay in business (they gain double demerits for having some of the same pest munched cobs show up in their inventory the NEXT year as well, looking even WORSE from another year of neglect). And even after that I still get 70% germ off the stuff (well, 70% of the portion left after I had cleaned all the bug destroyed crap out). Hell, I got 70% off most of the Andean stuff from the cache (like what's in my avatar)the year I planted from it, and that stuff was so old and brittle that half the kernels had been HOT GLUED back onto the cobs. I agree, 60% from a seed company stock is shameful. Actually that also why a part of me feels rather guilty every time I buy from Ricter's Seed Zoo. I buy because there is still stuff that looks intriguing to me, ad I don't have anywhere else to get most of the things they offer. But there is a big part of me now that comes away with an amount of rage and self hatred large enough to give me ulcers. Rage that they charge so much for seed that is so old it often has germination rates of 50% or lower (and while it has never happened to me, a lot of fellow buyers report getting 0% germination from whole packets fairly regularly) and self hatred for still wanting to buy from them year after year, thereby underlining both my own pathetic desperation and my willingness, by my purchasing to be complicit in their ability to get away with this.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Sept 12, 2014 22:18:17 GMT -5
And another rant along the same lines...I can't believe the low germ rates in seeds that I have purchased. I got a nice note from a fellow this morning. He said that he has been growing my "Mange Tout" landrace peas... I smiled, because I don't remember ever sharing that kind of pea seed. But Holly sent me some, so I figure that I must have shared her seed with him. He says that he's been growing it for a few years, and that he gets 90% germination from his saved seed. And that previously, when he was growing commercial seed he routinely expected 30% germination. I always grow my own pea seed, and I get excellent germination. But I hear people whining all the time about the poor germination on their peas. Makes me wonder if they are buying inadequate industrialized seed.
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Post by reed on Sept 13, 2014 8:24:46 GMT -5
Curious, I planted a pack of peas from Burpee a few weeks ago. They were packed for 2014 and I was looking forward to some nice sweet peas. Germinated maybe 20% tops, I thought I had planted too deep or something. This spring I planted some summer squash from NE Seed and got 0% where mine that were three years old planted right beside them on the same day germinated 100%. Time to move entirely to our own saved seeds?
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Post by copse on Sept 13, 2014 15:31:36 GMT -5
Is this the state of most commercial seeds in the states, or just certain outlets?
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Post by flowerweaver on Sept 13, 2014 19:51:51 GMT -5
To me it seems hit or miss. I mostly buy commercial seed from smaller, reputable specialty establishments it always seems one packet out of 15 will have zero germination. For instance, this year I had zero germination on one very common cowpea from Baker Creek and zero germination on one very common corn from Sand Hill. All the other cowpea and corn seeds I ordered from these companies had very good germination rates. It's not me or my conditions, because I grew 25-45 kinds of each. But it's rare that I have low germination.
One thing I have noted is I tend to get more production off the seeds I saved myself or were given to me by others who saved their own seed, even if they came from a climate totally different than mine.
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