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Post by steev on Oct 2, 2014 21:19:38 GMT -5
Are you "lecturing" them that they are resentful and disgruntled?
Neener, neener, neener!
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Post by DarJones on Oct 3, 2014 20:24:48 GMT -5
I think what Holly is saying is that she needs to gruntle her chickens. I've never succeeded at gruntling much of anything so I'd really like to see how she plans to achieve this peculiarity. (visualizing Holly's chickens with heads drawn back and haughty looks that say "well I NEVER!" and Holly looking back and saying "yeah, well your mama sure did!")
Inquiring minds ya know.
If you guessed I'm about 25 hours short on sleep for the week, you would be spot on.
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Post by 12540dumont on Mar 12, 2015 14:10:05 GMT -5
Dar, how are you coming with this higher protein corn? I read that Roy Calais Corn has 11-12% Protein I've read that standard corn has 9% Protein Horizon Herbs says that "Hopi Blue" has 30% more protein than other corn. (Huh? Which other corn?) jn.nutrition.org/content/48/4/461.full.pdf Horny endosperm corn makes more protein? Better conditions = more protein?
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Post by philagardener on Mar 12, 2015 19:37:40 GMT -5
I could not help but note that 12% is a tad over 30% more than 9%! I shall leave the greater opportunity for steev . . .
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Post by DarJones on Mar 12, 2015 21:34:10 GMT -5
Holly, I have the seed laid out and ready to plant.
Country Gentleman X Cherokee Squaw - retrieve shoepeg trait
High Lysine X Cherokee Squaw - retrieve high lysine
High Methionine X Cherokee Squaw - retrieve high methionine
High Oil - have 3 lines from ARS-Grin - retrieve high oil, combine with shoepeg
I also have some other odd genetics to include in the mix. This includes some disease tolerance lines that should help quite a bit with the southern rust that hit most of my corn last year.
If you are really interested in growing some, send me a PM and I'll forward enough seed of each line to get you started. It won't be more than about 100 seed max. I don't have enough of each variety to extend this offer to others.
For anyone else interested, you can find Wapsi Valley corn seed which is significantly higher protein than most commercial varieties. No breeding work required, just grow it.
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Post by 12540dumont on Mar 12, 2015 21:41:15 GMT -5
Good God Dar, I was hoping you were all done, and I could rest on your laurels. I think I'll plant the Wapsie and wait patiently for your corn. I'm growing Cherokee Squaw this year, which means if I start the Wapsi Valley as well, next year I can interplant them, while I await the Gentleman's cross. I'll just bask in your glow.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Mar 13, 2015 10:19:09 GMT -5
There are also quite a few GEM lines of very high protein available through GRIN.
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Post by 12540dumont on Mar 13, 2015 14:12:08 GMT -5
Kucyk Early RX 2300 (75 Days) Available certified organic 6-7' tall plant 7 ½ x 8 ½ long ears Mostly yellow color with some brown or maroon Finer stalks and leaves Sweet Flavor Many flint type ears Finishes fast
History: Victor Kucyk, from Ontario, Canada, developed this incredibly early, multi-varietal O.P corn.
Anyone have any idea of the protein in this corn?
Both the Roy Calais and the Wapsie Valley have the same amount of protein according to the University of Vermont.
But, has anyone tasted these?
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Post by oxbowfarm on Mar 13, 2015 18:25:48 GMT -5
maybe ask darwinslair. I know he grows one of the Kucyk early lines. You can also ask Victor Kucyk I think.
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Post by 12540dumont on Mar 16, 2015 16:36:37 GMT -5
Hey does anyone know, do the genes in corn that adapt for cold also work for heat? Also flood/drought? I could not find any papers that relate to this, they are all always on one or another.
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Post by DarJones on Mar 16, 2015 20:32:19 GMT -5
Holly, there are genes that affect ability to handle stress. These stress tolerance genes impact both heat and cold tolerance. Flood and drought tolerance are not aligned. Maize selected for drought tolerance alone will not necessarily also exhibit flood tolerance. The best drought tolerant corn I have is what you grew last year. It tends to produce large plants with massive root systems. The root system is key to drought tolerance. Flood tolerance as such does not exist in maize, however, it is present in a couple of near relatives that can be crossed with maize. If you want details, search for "aerenchyma".
One of the biggest research efforts currently underway on maize is to introduce some drought tolerance genes from sorghum. One particular target is the ability to close stomata reducing evaporative losses. Sorghum is highly drought tolerant by comparison with maize.
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Post by steev on Mar 16, 2015 21:48:00 GMT -5
The ability to close stomata to reduce evaporative losses would do wonders for corn on my farm, where there is usually a drying breeze, although I appreciate it. Got links?
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Post by 12540dumont on Mar 16, 2015 22:01:50 GMT -5
Thank you Dar for your quick response.
I often see corn referred to as stress resistant. However, have they been badgered by a teenager, flogged by a failing water system, taunted by a boss, beaten and abused by a stove that refuses to maintain an even temperature, outfoxed by gophers, vexed by shipping charges, pounded by climate change, and chiseled by county bureaucrats? STRESS? I could go on but I don't want to befuddle or confuse you.
Sorghum spontaneously erupts in my garden. As you all know, the first time it happened I had no clue as to what it was, and a lovely plant it is too. Thank you from the bottom of my bewildered heart.
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 2, 2015 20:24:23 GMT -5
I found a cool new resource...http://cornculture.info/
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Post by steev on Apr 2, 2015 21:50:23 GMT -5
The one hopeful consideration of population growth/resource stress is that there are more people interested/working on the problem; now, if we can just get the people ignorant of the problem (and its causes) educated enough to see it, and secure enough to act rationally, rather than superstitionally, we may have a chance of decent survival as a species and civilization.
I firmly believe that we can't tech/breed our way out of what is our own myopia, regarding our place in the ecosystem. Mother Nature doesn't need us if we're a threat to the whole ecosystem, which was fine long before we shambled onto center stage (and who said that was our place?) Oh, yeah, we did; so much for humility.
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