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Post by richardw on Jan 13, 2016 12:47:57 GMT -5
May as well start off a new thread for the new year where we can all report on our TPS grow outs -
My TPS program remains the same as the last few years and that is to continually growing/crossing from only the one variety of Maori potato called Moi moi, though i have 4 slightly different strains, the difference mainly shows in the colour of the flowers, the tubers are much more similar. Moi moi is a rich tasting white flesh-red/purple skin spud but is normally a poor producer of berries during a average standard summer, in cooler summers it produces truck loads. To date my TPS growouts have so far failed to produce a clone that has as good a taste as the parents and that also they tend to produce plants which grow extremely long stolons, one plant two summers ago grew some 4 metres in all directions.
My aim for 2016 is to just keep harvesting TPS crossed from both the parents and previous grown TPS clones, even though the TPS clones so far dont have have the most desirable traits there input hopefully may help produce improved berry set, thats if i can find that one plant that gives me what i'm after.
A good friend of mine who ive asked to join up on the forum is a amazing TPS grower, he grows rows & rows of seedlings every summer, i'll chase him up and hopefully he can post a report of his work, but i might have to get the photos though as i'm not sure what he's like on that.
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Post by raymondo on Jan 13, 2016 16:59:19 GMT -5
I want to create a potato with deep red flesh. The only red we have I've seen is Cranberry which is a soft pinkish red colour. It flowers but does not set berries. My first step will be to develop a group of fertile potatoes. To do this I'll gather as many cultivars as I can which are known to set berries, even if only occasionally. So that's the job for this coming spring.
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Post by rowan on Jan 13, 2016 17:09:44 GMT -5
Hey Ray, I have Amoroso Fingerling and Burgundy Blush, both of which have deep red flesh.
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Post by raymondo on Jan 13, 2016 17:28:45 GMT -5
rowan, I haven't come across Amoroso Fingerling. PM sent. I have seen Burgundy Blush but didn't look into it because it is a selection of Cranberry so I didn't think the colour would be any different. I'll pick some up next time I see them offered. I think Diggers offers them from time to time.
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Post by richardw on Jan 13, 2016 19:22:33 GMT -5
Down the other end of our property a central pivot next door jets water into our place as it passes, so ive been planting apple trees along the fence line, in one of the fenced off from the sheep areas ive got two potatoes growing,the idea was to grow it well away from the Moi moi's in the house garden (its about 500 metres away) i have no idea who bred this potato, its produces a shit load of berries every year, when the TPS is grown it throws three different colours, one is a throw back to Urenika which is not a nice eating spud www.naturespic.com/NewZealand/image.asp?id=40843 the other is a very boring white tuber, but the other is a red fleshed tuber with red skin. |
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Post by nathanp on Jan 13, 2016 23:04:45 GMT -5
I plan to grow out approximately 150 seedlings of TPS from about 15 varieties. I am screening for late blight resistance as well as yield and unusual shapes and colors. This past year I grew out about 285 seedlings from approximately 25 varieties, which was probably a few too many for me. About 110 of those will be regrown by me as 1st year tubers saved from those plants. I hope to whittle that down over the next two years to the most promising ones. So far I have identified about a dozen that have the most promise.
This past fall, I also sent between 20 and 40 tubers to each of 6 other gardeners or growers in the US for them to field test as well (distributed network - what I like to call a type of "crowdsourcing" potato growing, to take advantage of a network of interested growers and make our efforts larger than just any one person can do alone. I like to think of this as a way to pool resources. Some of those are duplicates of what I am growing, others are duplicates of what I sent to each of them. It should be interesting to compare the data.
After this year, I should be close to eliminating the last of the varieties I have that have sterility issues.
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Post by raymondo on Jan 14, 2016 0:01:40 GMT -5
Given that there are at least two deep red potatoes here I'll modify my project to that of evaluation and attempting to cross the two.
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Post by nathanp on Jan 14, 2016 21:00:55 GMT -5
Here is my preliminary list of TPS lines I plan to grow out. I probably will add a few more to these, even if only in small quantities
AKT (Adirondacksen x Kern Toro)
Azule Rose F2 - Blue Fingerling
Black Irish
Barbara
Chaposa
CIP 396286-7
Igorota
Lumpy Diploid Fingerling
Pirampo
Picasso
Saikai 35
Skagit Valley Gold
Magic Dragons X x-ajanhuiri Sisu F1
Magic Dragons X x-ajanhuiri Sisu F2
Satina
Wharoroa (Mystery Red)
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Post by wmontanez on Jan 27, 2016 6:50:22 GMT -5
hi Richard,
I donated my potatoes last year to Kenosha potato project and few of your Mystery Potato TPS offspring got distributed across USA. You will be hearing about Waiporoporo (Mystery baby- deep Purple) and Wharoroa (Mystery baby- Red white flesh)
raymondo: You are in Australia correct? Difficult to send seeds but we can try... me too always after a deep red clone. There is one called RED-OX bred by Tom wagner is the deepest red and good french fry type I've even seen, and I got some few TPS seeds I can send you...PM me
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Post by ferdzy on Jan 27, 2016 8:50:55 GMT -5
Interesting to read about all your projects!
We have just gotten into growing potato seeds for the last couple years; I hope we will have grown the first batch on far enough to assess this fall.
I got Rebsie Fairholm's potato breeding book last fall and was really interested to see that she mentions Pink Fir Apple (aka Rose Fin Apple) as having non-T-type cytoplasm, making it useful for breeding more fertile offspring. A bit ironic given that most people find it produces no berries. Ours have steadily produced 2 to 8 berries just about every year though, so I am planning to try some intentional crosses with it this summer. I'd like a pinker version of it. My reddest potato right now is Red Thumb (not very) and I am thinking of ordering AmaRosa (I assume the same as the amoroso others have mentioned) and crossing it with PkFrAp. Don't hear good reports about the flavour of AmaRosa though. I would also like to cross it with Purple Viking, German Butterball, and maybe Envol, a very early standard white. All of which I have and all of which have produced berries.
One of our first seed potatoes produced beautiful almost peach-coloured litte mini-tubers. They looked like little quartz pebbles, almost. They have not remained quite so luminous as they have gotten bigger, but I am still following them with some interest.
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Post by richardw on Jan 27, 2016 15:04:39 GMT -5
hi Richard, I donated my potatoes last year to Kenosha potato project and few of your Mystery Potato TPS offspring got distributed across USA. You will be hearing about Waiporoporo (Mystery baby- deep Purple) and Wharoroa (Mystery baby- Red white flesh) Hi Wendy, do you grow the Mystery clone itself?, as i said in a PM to Nathan the red fleshed potato is i believe not one known as Whataroa as it doesn't have red flesh( i dont know of any potato called Wharoroa). I'm not so sure that the segregation is that clear cut, one of the two purples (long tapered ) is 100% Urenika a descendant of Purple Congo, but the other i dont think is Waiporoporo because its known to have skin colouring more of a multi colouring. |
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Post by raymondo on Jan 27, 2016 15:23:36 GMT -5
...I got Rebsie Fairholm's potato breeding book last fall and was really interested to see that she mentions Pink Fir Apple (aka Rose Fin Apple) as having non-T-type cytoplasm, making it useful for breeding more fertile offspring. A bit ironic given that most people find it produces no berries. Ours have steadily produced 2 to 8 berries just about every year though ... I planted Pink Fir Apple after reading Rebsie's book but to date it has not produced any berries. The flowers don't seem to have produced any pollen either, at least not that I can discern. I might try placing a tuber just under the surface as I've read elsewhere that making it difficult for the plant to grow tubers encourages floral development. Hopefully that also means pollen production and berry formation. |
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Post by rowan on Jan 27, 2016 16:17:38 GMT -5
I read about someone having great success with grafting potatoes onto tomato rootstock to promote flowers and berries somewhere - did someone post a link on here some months ago?
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Post by nathanp on Jan 27, 2016 19:31:50 GMT -5
Richard,
WHAROROA and WAIPOROPORO are plants grown from 'MYSTERY' TPS by wmontanez. They are not anything available in New Zealand. wmontanez grew out TPS and had 4 plants she saved tubers from. Two of these were WHAROROA and WAIPOROPORO.
Wendy,
Regarding RED OX, it does not grow deep flesh for me, just a pinkish color. I am growing out some HEDGE ROSE and BOYD DUDE TPS to try to select for some with darker red flesh.
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Post by gilbert on Jan 27, 2016 23:03:47 GMT -5
This seems to be true. I got standard potatoes from the store, laid down a few sheets of cardboard, and laid down some leaves, only a few inches. Then I cut the potatoes up and put them on top, and put a few more leaves on. The idea was to keep hilling them up with leaves and grass clippings. However, life got away from me. In the fall, the tubers were mostly exposed, green and useless. But there were TONS of berries on all the plants, they were loaded. Unfortunately, that was before I heard about TPS, so I threw them away.
I will be working on my tower potato breeding project this year with TPS
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