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Post by plantsnobin on Nov 4, 2008 10:40:21 GMT -5
I got Fuseau and Red Fuseau Jerusalem Artichokes. I pound of each. I guess I ordered them because they were supposed to grow to a bigger tuber than 'regular', and I do have to say that they appear to be bigger than what I already had. Now, where to plant them.....They also sent the 'Interim Catalog' for potatoes, they do have several varieties that look interesting. Alan, would you like some of the Artichokes???
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Post by bunkie on Dec 1, 2008 9:27:22 GMT -5
plantsnobin, we grew the Red Fuseau (on the left), and Stampede (on the right) this spring. www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=27615PDlUo&i=156887the Red Fuseau flowered almost a month later than Stampede. Stampede seemed to be larger than the Red Fuseu, but, to be fair, watering was not as regular as it could have been. we are overwintering alot to develop a plot of them here. hubby's thinking alcohol for the tractor, truck, etc... in the near future!;D www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=27615PDlUo&i=160693 someone from Florida wants me to send them a couple tubers, and i was wondering how you mail them plantsnobin? i was thinking a plastic bag and damp newspaper? |
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Post by plantsnobin on Dec 1, 2008 9:42:56 GMT -5
Well, I wish I could help you out on this one, they were sent to me in a mesh bag, with a wadded up plastic bag. They looked ok when I got them, but when I went to plant them, they had gone bad. Now, I would blame myself for not planting them immediately, but Johno had sent me some tubers last year(?) and they were fine for a very long time until I planted them. So, I don't know what the difference was. Maybe waiting til spring to ship would be a better option. Maybe they do better if they have been 'cured' a bit? If I remember, Johno just sent them loose in a box, no bag or damp anything, I think damp would lead to trouble.
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Post by johno on Dec 1, 2008 11:26:55 GMT -5
I'm trying to remember how I packaged them... it might take a while.
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Post by bunkie on Dec 2, 2008 10:44:34 GMT -5
did you let them dry out a bit johno before sending? i have them in the fridge in plastic right now. they can store over a month in there, they say. from experience, i know they go down hill fast when left out in the open.
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Post by stevil on Dec 2, 2008 14:03:34 GMT -5
Here in Norway, Jerusalem Artichokes (jordskokker in Norwegian) were grown before the potato (in the 1600s) and then went out of fashion, but have probably always been cultivated by some people. In recent years, they've become quite popular again and are regualrly served in the best restaurants. Although there are different varieties, there is one which is particularly popular. It's called "Dagnøytral" meaning "Day Neutral" as it begins to flower a full month before other varieties and it gives very high yield too. We're currently trying to trace its history back as long as possible and I've always wondered if it is actually the same as the variety Stampede as the descriptions I've read are very similar. Your picture supports this. Here are a couple of pictures of Dagnøytral: www.hagepraten.no/gallery/pic.php?mode=large&pic_id=125....and in this picture various other varieties that I grow are also shown for comparison: www.hagepraten.no/gallery/pic.php?mode=large&pic_id=124 (Dave's Shrine, Top L; Dagnøytral, Top M; Kootenai?, Top R; Fuseau, Bottom L; Hardy Mountain, Bottom M; Helianthus dumosus, Bottom R) What do you think? Does it look like Stampede? It would be cool to be able to say that our Sunchoke is the same as Stampede, which was selected by the Indians in Northern Ontario (according to Cornucopia). Therefore, I'm begging if someone would be willing to send a very small tuber so that we can do a direct genetic and morphologic comparison of the two varieties.... I can either send something in return or pay costs.... |
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Post by orflo on Dec 2, 2008 14:42:22 GMT -5
A bit of googling gave me another stampede picture, and it comes quite close to the day-neutral thing: www.oikostreecrops.com/store/product.asp?P_ID=580&PT_ID=80&strPageHistory=catThis is possibly one of the many things that did get another name when they were moved or just exchanged. I have this Jerusalem art. that's also extremely early, and if I see the stampede picture, it looks just alike. I got it from the local organic shop, so I don't know the name (they have this nasty habit of selling things without listing the true name, well, I'm probably the only one who cares, so why should they  ), but it was surprisingly early flowering, it didn't become very big though, maybe 1,50 metres, the other ones grow to heights of 2,50 metres or even more. |
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Post by johno on Dec 2, 2008 15:59:54 GMT -5
I looked back through the thread where we made the JA deal last winter, and it didn't mention how I packaged them... But here's what I recall: I remember that the ones I had originally dug up didn't keep too well and got a bit spongy after a couple of days, so I dug up a fresh batch and sent the best of those right away. I recall something about wet paper towels to keep the humidity high, and I think I probably did put them in a plastic bag, just not sealed tightly.
Mine look a good bit like Kootenai [?] in stevil's photo.
They actually produced lots of seed this year. I'm too curious not to try to germinate them... with low expectations, of course.
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Post by bunkie on Dec 3, 2008 12:51:34 GMT -5
..............What do you think? Does it look like Stampede? It would be cool to be able to say that our Sunchoke is the same as Stampede, which was selected by the Indians in Northern Ontario (according to Cornucopia). Therefore, I'm begging if someone would be willing to send a very small tuber so that we can do a direct genetic and morphologic comparison of the two varieties.... I can either send something in return or pay costs.... yes sevil, they look very similar. i would be happy to send you a couple of tubers, but am not sure how they'll fair in travelling. i'm going to mail a couple to another tomorrow and can send you a couple. i'm going to try johno's method (THANKS JOHNO!). maybe we could trade perennial cabbage seed? PM me your mailing address, and i'll see what i can do. time is of the essence cause we're getting a very cold snap and the ground will be frozen very soon. one other question with shipping. do i need to put 'plant material' on the envelope? |
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Post by plantsnobin on Dec 3, 2008 21:03:34 GMT -5
Bunkie, I think you would be better off not to mention 'plant material' on the box. Technically, people aren't supposed to be shipping plant material without proper inspection. In IN, I have a nursery license, and to be able to ship plants you have to order the shipping labels from the Dept of Natural Resources, they are the ones who inspect your nursery. Plants either have to be bare root, or you have to promise to grow only in soil less growing medium. Mostly due to Japanese Beetle concerns. Seems like it would just be best not to mention it, just in case.
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Post by bunkie on Dec 10, 2008 16:30:22 GMT -5
thanks plantsnobin!
look what i just found...am thinking of trying to make it in a bucket, like my other wines, then bottle...
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Post by stevil on Dec 22, 2008 14:51:46 GMT -5
Yes sevil, they look very similar. i would be happy to send you a couple of tubers, but am not sure how they'll fair in travelling. PM me your mailing address, and i'll see what i can do. time is of the essence cause we're getting a very cold snap and the ground will be frozen very soon. one other question with shipping. do i need to put 'plant material' on the envelope? Just like to publicly thank Bunkie for the Xmas present which arrived safely in Norway today! I've only known her for a few short weeks too.... Sorry, but yours won't get there before Xmas... |
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Post by bunkie on Dec 22, 2008 15:32:49 GMT -5
oh stevil, i'm so relieved! i've been so worried that the time factor would leave them wrinkled and moldy and unplantable. hopefully we can do more trading....now that we know it takes about a week and a half to get from Washington, USA to Norway, snailmail.
course, a little more time could've been knocked off if i hadn't forgotten to fill out the 'custom's declaration' thingy! ;D
johno, i wrapped them as you said, in damp newspaper, then put in a plastic bag and boxed it all. the ones that went to Florida made it fine too! whew!
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), but it was surprisingly early flowering, it didn't become very big though, maybe 1,50 metres, the other ones grow to heights of 2,50 metres or even more.