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Post by orflo on Dec 4, 2008 5:50:50 GMT -5
First of all, you're not hijacking at all. Second, where on earth did you find these??? Gatersleben?? They're mentioned in sturtevant as brassica rubra, but except for the old vilmorin book 'the vegetable garden' mentioning Flanders kale, I never heard of them... www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/sturtevant/brassica-oler.html |
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Post by hiven on Dec 4, 2008 7:29:27 GMT -5
I bought it from Belgium, Frank ! Aveve in Leuven. It is sold under a name: Chou fourrager Cavaleir Rouge (Voederkool Rode Cavaleier). I have read the Henriettesherbal before but found not much. Recently I found it in Thomas Etty (UK) at the barecole section which that said Cavaleir Rouge /red Cavalier is also called Red Flanderen kale  . I presume this red Cavalier is a biennial type but will have to grow it first... I am still searching for the Hungry Gap Kale id, it was given to me by a Brits, she only described it as a leavy green kale (flat oval/round leaves) that produce lots of green leaves and shoots and very winter hardy... any idea ? |
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Post by hiven on Dec 4, 2008 7:29:57 GMT -5
I bought it from Belgium, Frank ! Aveve in Leuven. It is sold under a name: Chou fourrager Cavalier Rouge (Voederkool Rode Cavalier). I have read the Henriettesherbal before but found not much. Recently I found it in Thomas Etty (UK) at the barecole section which that said Cavalier Rouge /red Cavalier is also called Red Flanderen kale . I presume this red Cavalier is a biennial type but will have to grow it first... I am still searching for the Hungry Gap Kale id, it was given to me by a Brits, she only described it as a leavy green kale (flat oval/round leaves) that produce lots of green leaves and shoots and very winter hardy... any idea ? |
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Post by stevil on Dec 4, 2008 8:37:31 GMT -5
Don't know the others, but Hungry Gap I've grown - pretty sure I got it from the UK Heritage Seed Library (HDRA) some years ago. Don't have any real record of it only a bad picture with that and some other varieties which would suggest it wasn't very high yielding.
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Post by mybighair on Dec 4, 2008 11:23:17 GMT -5
Just did a google search for 'Red Cavalier' and it appears to be a red form of Jersey Tree/walking stick Kale. If so it could also be a short live perennial. I have spoken to 'Thomas Etty Esq.', he specialise in heritage varieties. I had quite an interesting chat to him on the phone. He isn't sure if 'Red Cavalier' is as long lived as Jersey kale suspects that it may be. He also has three varieties of 'daubenton' kale, two from France 'daubenton', and 'daubenton variegata' and a British cultivar he was given as 'daubenton' that appears slightly diferent from, and is larger than the french forms. We are going to swap cuttings of the perennial brassicas we have and compare the various forms to try and sort them out. Another interesting piece of information was that the guy he got the British form from has reproduced it through seed. He apparently treats the plants very badly to force them into flower and has successfully produced seed that way. Will have to try and get more information on his cultural practices for treating plants badly and give it a try myself, if it works I could send some seed to the US and Canada. The link below is to the website www.thomasetty.co.uk/ |
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Post by Rebsie on Dec 4, 2008 11:34:59 GMT -5
It's good to know that Thomas Etty Esq is still trading. I've ordered from him in the past and he has some really great stuff, but there was no new catalogue last year ...
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Post by canadamike on Dec 4, 2008 12:38:17 GMT -5
This small company is wonderful. They were my biggest supplier last year, and will be this year too, everything I had ordered to share with having been lost in the move...  I really love their selection, I can only recommend them very very highly. I love the style of their old graphics on the site, you feel like you're travelling through time The payment system is a bit archaic, but it only adds to the charm... |
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Post by hiven on Dec 4, 2008 14:40:24 GMT -5
It will be a bonus for me if the Red Cavalier kale turn out to be perennial as it is so pretty. |
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Post by orflo on Dec 4, 2008 15:01:02 GMT -5
Believe it or not: aveve has got a little shop in our village...  And I'm searching seed in Peru, Argentina, Thailand, New Zealand, and so on.... ;D ;D ;D and this is just right under my nose... |
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Post by hiven on Dec 4, 2008 17:09:12 GMT -5
Lucky you, Frank ! We went there for the wech rings and glasses and I will usually be looking at their seeds too. They don't have much exotic ones but I can get my bulbs there (onions and garlic). I can get lots of commercial onion sets here but not an old fashion type. My Griselle shallots are also from Aveve too ... do visit it once in a while just to say hello on my behalf . |
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Post by jeannineanne on Jul 29, 2010 21:04:26 GMT -5
Hi, does anyone have any information on Deleway perennial cabbage fro Irish Sees Savers please, they have very little info on their site thank you XX Jeannine
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Post by ottawagardener on Oct 18, 2010 10:52:23 GMT -5
I grew out leaf broccoli last year and it was killed back to ground level but in the spring seemed to spring from the earth perhaps on a low stem/leaf node or maybe from the roots but I think it is more likely the former. Anyhow, it didn't flower last year or this but I wasn't really expecting it to as my understanding is that it was adapted to a longer growing season and was bred to produce leaves but corretions welcome as always. I am leaving these plants behind but I wonder if they will appear again next year? They weren't super vigorous.  |
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Post by stevil on Feb 18, 2011 7:05:18 GMT -5
Hi, does anyone have any information on Deleway perennial cabbage fro Irish Sees Savers please, they have very little info on their site thank you XX Jeannine I see that Jeannine's question remains unanswered. Did anyone try this one: From the Irish Seed Savers web site: "An Irish heirloom variety, saved for generations by the Hughes family in Co. Mayo. Exceptionally hardy cut’n’come again cabbage. Tall vigorous plant with large tender leaves and purple stems." No mention of it being perennial though store.irishseedsavers.ie/products/family/4/organic-seed/category/94/kales-and-cut-n-come-cabbages/item/99/delaway-cabbage/ |
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Post by bertiefox on Feb 18, 2011 7:45:45 GMT -5
As Ottawagardener says, several brassicas seem to throw up a mass of young 'seedlings' from around the stems of the old plant in the following spring. Logically these could be carefully detached and potted on, but when I've tried this they have never succeeded. With Chou d'Aubenton, I find this has an excellent taste and I'm currently rooting loads of young shoots in an experiment to try them as a closely planted 'cut and come again' vegetable (perhaps a bit unnecessarily when there will be hundreds of harvestable shoots on the ones in the garden at this time of year, but might be useful for a later harvest.) Has anyone tried growing or harvesting D'Aubenton in this way?
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Post by stevil on Feb 18, 2011 8:13:44 GMT -5
This would probably be a useful technique for producing early summer/ spring greens for those of us whose climate is too cold to overwinter the plants outside (or where it's uncertain if they would pull through). Take autumn cuttings, overwinter inside and plant early spring outside or in a greenhouse for forcing. I might try this as I have quite a few cuttings in a cold room in the house (however, I've promised some to some people...we'll see)!
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. I presume this red Cavalier is a biennial type but will have to grow it first...
