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Post by bcday on Aug 16, 2009 3:54:15 GMT -5
What I am saying in my previous post is that even if Patrick gives you the contact info, which he has no business doing, you still might not get seeds from those people, because
1) it's way past the deadline for anyone who doesn't ship year round, and
2) any member you contact should tell you that you can only request seeds if you join and mail them the form from the current Yearbook. That was true when Kent was with SSE and it hasn't changed.
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 16, 2009 3:57:40 GMT -5
yes and if you saw what I posted to this forum before the thread was erased, I had issues with the structure of SSE before. They hold themselves back as far as Im concerned. Like a seed cult.
I have no intention of calling them like that, I wouldnt hurt someones membership who simply wanted to help a forum friend and spread some seeds.
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Post by bcday on Aug 16, 2009 4:16:08 GMT -5
OK, well I never felt like I was part of a seed cult, LOL. I joined because I was interested in preserving heirloom varieties that otherwise would probably be lost forever. I found two of those varieties myself in a local nursery and listed them with SSE to try to keep those two varieties from dying out.
Trading seeds on a forum is fine but once somebody gets tired of growing something, what happens to it? Do we go around the forums asking if anyone is still saving this peach or that apple, and does anyone know where to find it? If SSE has it, I know where to find it.
SSE is dedicated to saving heirloom varieties even if those varieties aren't the hottest trading item on some forum at the moment. They are trying to make sure those varieties will be there for the next generation. It's worth supporting.
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Post by PatrickW on Aug 16, 2009 4:16:46 GMT -5
I dont intend to hurt patricks membership For the record SS, I was joking. I don't intend to continue my membership anyway, and even if I did it wouldn't be a real concern. When I signed up to be a member of the SSE, I didn't sign any non-disclosure agreement or even agree in any other way I wouldn't disclose the contents of their 'secret' Yearbook. There is not even a printed policy statement in the yearbook saying I should never reveal the contents or incidentally share contact information. The information given for listed members is commonly used by everyone to both order seeds as well as get in touch with one another. The Yearbook is a copyrighted book, and as such I can't publish or reproduce major portions of it to share with others. This does not apply to small excerpts, which I am 100% legally free to do with what I want. I'm also free to interpret the information in the Yearbook however, and publish or share this in any way I want. The SSE may be able to control what people are allowed to say in their forums, in the childish way they do this, but I'm afraid in the rest of the world people can say what they want about the SSE and their Yearbook. This forum in particular recently took a very strong stand on the side of free speech recently, and bcday if you don't like this I suggest participating on the SSE forum instead of here. It just doesn't matter in even the tiniest way what you think is right or wrong here, and if the SSE wants to ban me for expressing my right to freedom of speech somewhere else on the Internet, let them make my day! This matter doesn't concern anyone but SS, the members he contacts and me! |
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Post by bcday on Aug 16, 2009 4:31:12 GMT -5
Patrick, if you have the 2009 Yearbook, check page 9, Use of Listed Member Contact Information. The people who listed their contact info in the Yearbook did so with the expectation that the information would only be available to other members. Do you want someone to give out your contact info so a stranger who isn't a member can call you? Wouldn't you consider that an invasion of your privacy?
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Post by PatrickW on Aug 16, 2009 4:46:57 GMT -5
Patrick, if you have the 2009 Yearbook, check page 9, Use of Listed Member Contact Information. The people who listed their contact info in the Yearbook did so with the expectation that the information would only be available to other members. Do you want someone to give out your contact info so a stranger who isn't a member can call you? Wouldn't you consider that an invasion of your privacy? I don't have a copy of the Yearbook in front of me so I can't comment on page 9. Even if it does say this, it's only a request from the SSE and nothing more. To respond to the rest of what you say here, no I wouldn't mind. In particular, many people have their phone number listed in a phone book or otherwise have their contact information available for strangers to call them. I don't think most people are opposed to occasionally being contacted by someone they don't know to be asked a question. In fact, most of us who are members of the SSE have gardens and share seeds not for the benefit of the SSE, but because we like to see our plants grown other places. I haven't met anyone who only offers their seeds via the SSE and no where else. In fact, I think most people list their contact information in the SSE Yearbook, because they WANT to be contact by people like SS concerning their seeds. While SS is a 'stranger' we can all see he knows something about plants, and he's pretty unlikely to do anything more than place one phone call and if that doesn't succeed in arranging a trade, never bother that person again. I could also do the same thing by the way, pick up the phone and call the SSE members (also being a 'stranger'), and ask them if they would mind being in contact with SS. Perhaps this fits in better with 'what the SSE wants', but it's not any more or less intrusive, and honestly I can't be bothered with what the SSE wants. |
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 16, 2009 5:12:51 GMT -5
bcday you said SSE is dedicated to saving heirloom varieties even if those varieties aren't the hottest trading item on some forum at the moment. They are trying to make sure those varieties will be there for the next generation. It's worth supporting
I DO agree SSE is worth supporting, but as you said you know from the other forum, I dont trust them, and although I might consider a one year membership, I wont be putting my long term efforts with them. I agree a forum isnt a place that will long term keep varieties germplasm intact, but this is why I will put my support to other groups starting to do the same thing. Because for all we know SSE could switch gears any time. Kents claims were far reaching, and the way SSE reacted does not make me feel confident they WILL be there long term as you suggest. So I wish them ALL the best, but long term my passion, and effort and money will for the most part go to others moving in the same direction.
Theres more than one person on this very forum building similar trading networks, and with the efficiency of the internet, it could easily blossom much faster then SSE did.
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Post by orflo on Aug 17, 2009 1:07:59 GMT -5
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