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Post by Alan on Aug 28, 2009 23:33:43 GMT -5
True Morus Alba - White fruiting mull berry
Snowbank/Iceberg/wild type-white blackberry
Blue fruited persimmon
I know of a source for a white blackberry but the price is way prohibitave, same with the blue fruited persimmon. Any help would be appreciated and greatly rewarded!
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Post by johno on Aug 28, 2009 23:54:27 GMT -5
Alan, I googled the blue persimmon and found this link: www.simmonfruit.net/persimmon_improvement.htmlIt mentions the blue persimmons as not being especially palatable, more just for curiosities. You probably want them for breeding, though. Anyway, there is a lot of info about persimmons here that I think you'd like to read. |
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Post by plantsnobin on Aug 30, 2009 8:22:01 GMT -5
That was also the info I found John. Alan, we could try to set up an appointment with Don Compton sometime soon about the persimmons if you can get over this way.
What is the price on the white blackberry? Maybe we can figure something out.
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Post by bunkie on Aug 30, 2009 9:41:11 GMT -5
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Post by Alan on Sept 1, 2009 20:38:45 GMT -5
I found the Burbank White Blackberry! Well, Snowbank berry to be exact. ARS has it, but won't send it out because it's virus infected and because they have trouble propigating it (personal opinion here but from what Bruce Bartlet told me the troubles are being caused by their culture of the plant)
A very nice fellow will be getting back to me shortly and sending me some rooted plants of which I will in time share with everyone.
I have also managed to get my grubby little hands on a completely different line of white blackberry....
more to come.
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Post by grungy on Sept 1, 2009 23:53:23 GMT -5
Alan, can the white Blackberry be propagated from the seeds in the berries?
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Post by Alan on Sept 7, 2009 22:46:48 GMT -5
According to Luther Burbank's own notations, the Snowbank was in fact so "preponderant" or "fixed" in traits (due to the "preponderance" of the Lawton parent) that indeed it breeds true or "reasonably true" from seed, even if it is outcrossed......historically the Lawton was propigated exclusively from seed.
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Post by grungy on Sept 8, 2009 14:24:27 GMT -5
Could I possibly beg a few seeds off you should you get the plant and have the berries?
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Post by Alan on Sept 8, 2009 19:33:35 GMT -5
Of course, but then again, I could probably get you some starts, it will take some time, but I will make sure you get them my friend!
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Post by grungy on Sept 8, 2009 20:21:47 GMT -5
Thank you very much.
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Post by daniel on Mar 16, 2011 6:05:20 GMT -5
Hi
I'm searching also about the white rubus blackberry...
Do someone help me for this (seeds or nursery that sell in europa)
Thanks in advance for all...Allan,have you get some seeds from yours,Do you sell some?
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Post by jeramee on Jun 12, 2011 19:35:53 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
I am new to the group. Not much of a gardener, but every garden that I have ever grown has done well. I suppose 15 years experience in landscaping probably helps though. Now I work as an electronics technician and have not grown a garden in years.
I am also having trouble finding Snowbank/Iceberg blackberries. Although, the reason that I want them for is different from everyone else I am sure. I am interested in dye-sensitized solar cell made from porphyrins, anthocyanins, or some yet to be discovered UV absorbing organic dye. Now I am not certain that white-blackberries still contain anthocyanins as that is the where the pigment actually comes from. Food for thought, this means the antioxidant properties of the berries could be compromised if the chemical constitute that has replaced the anthocyanins does not have similar properties. Although, many mothers may opt for less health benefits, if it also means less carpet stains, lol.
Well anyways, the idea behind my experiments is a method for Solar-Terra-Farming. If I can prove that it works, I plan to patent the process. Therefore, I can not discuss it at length. I do not want it to fall into the hands of some oilfield company to be suppressed. However, once it is complete any of you guys could use this process freely.
For my experiments I need the most tart tasting white blackberries. If any of you guys have got your hands onto some of these and are doing crosses, it is likely you do not recross the bad tasting ones. Could you please save me the most God offal tasting seeds for me? Also, to Alan if the blackberries you purchased are the Crystal White and not the Snowbank like you suspect. It took Luther Burbank 65000 crosses and 5 years to come up with the Snowbank from the Crystal White and Lawton blackberry. Therefore, best of luck with that and let me know if you need any help.
Lastly, I have another grower, my grandmother's boyfriend. I would like to give him something to do since my grandmother passed away. If I could get some of these white blackberries, then I can have all the seeds in two places to make sure they are preserved even in the case of disease. I will give him the good tasting white black berries. Perhaps, assist him on focusing on breeding them into a disease resistant thorn-less variety.
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Post by mnjrutherford on Jun 13, 2011 18:59:21 GMT -5
Although, the reason that I want them for is different from everyone else I am sure. I am interested in dye-sensitized solar cell made from porphyrins, anthocyanins, or some yet to be discovered UV absorbing organic dye. Nope, not at all different. This has been discussed in a different thread. Just don't know which one.  Sorry about that. We have several energy threads. I'm waiting to get some time and building materials to build a PV panel. Got a few hundred cells waiting patiently...  |
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Post by jeramee on Jun 19, 2011 22:22:46 GMT -5
Yes,
However, this is the Snow Bank thread. Although, there is another white blackberry thread. Perhaps, I will post there as well. The thing is each color in the visible light spectrum absorbs another color. Plants are green they reflect green and absorb red and blue. The dyes that would absorb UV light would be clear -> White -> light yellow. Blackberries contain a dye called anthocyanins. The problem with this is that UV light breaks down anthocyanins, another problem is that white blackberries probably do not contain anthocyanins and have adapted to contain another substance altogether. However, if we were to take the white dye from every plant on earth likely we will find many that absorbs UV light.(as a matter of fact many already exist such a Tonka Beans which contain a chemical called Coumarin) Perhaps, white blackberries will not contain a suitable dye but it is worth a shot. I don't really believe in chance. Like Einstein once said "God does not play dice." I do not think that Luther Burbank made those 65,000 crosses for his health, everything happens for a reason. In short, it is my belief that the substance in white blackberries is worthy of experimentation.
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Post by mnjrutherford on Jun 20, 2011 1:16:56 GMT -5
YIKES! LOL Forgive me but you have your stuff down pat and sadly you are talking SO far over my head. I can only wish I understood all of this.
I sure do hope you can connect with the other folks who are into this because I think you can do some excellent things together!
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Sorry about that. We have several energy threads. I'm waiting to get some time and building materials to build a PV panel. Got a few hundred cells waiting patiently... 