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Post by canadamike on Apr 27, 2008 21:37:25 GMT -5
While we are on the subject of confusion, multi-names etc...could somebody here tell me what they think of Tomatofest as a reliable source. I have doubts. They offer 600 varieties and are not even mentionned in the T'Ville suppliers list.
Weird, really weird...( unless of course, there is a good reason)
Michel
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Post by PapaVic on Apr 28, 2008 12:42:44 GMT -5
Michel,
I think there are some long-standing issues between the owner of Tomatoville and the owner of Tomatofest ... going way back to the introduction of Marianna's Peace, I believe. And there are other instances of interplay between the owner of Tomatofest and various members of Tomatoville. But I do think you'll find mention of Tomatofest and its owner within various threads at Tomatoville ... or at least there used to be messages there that included mention and comment regarding Tomatofest and its owner, along with comments about various varieties coming out of Tomatofest. Sunset's Red Horizon and Rostova come to mind as a controversial subject at Tomatoville. Try that in the TV search engine.
pv
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Post by canadamike on Apr 28, 2008 13:58:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Bill. But, since I have confidence in your judgment, would you consider them reliable? I have read comments about bad seed germination, but this can happen to any company, I read that too about Baker Creek, an otherwise very reliable source. I just want to know if I can expect what I ordered, and I can understand some mishaps, nature is nature, and I also think I made a couple of mistakes in my life....so perfection is not exactly an absolute for me, except when I cook a rib steak  Michel |
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Post by Alan on Apr 28, 2008 17:21:47 GMT -5
I've grown out a number of varieties from this particular company that has introduced this rougue zebra type. Campari is one of them. After growing many of them for several generations I can confidently say that I have yet to find a hybrid and given that the company that produces them is family owned, I'm hedging my bets that the breeding program that created them initialy, segregated them into the open pollinated state which would explain why I have never seen them segregate, I'm betting this particular tomato is open pollinated as well and I'm also betting it's something not yet in commerce.
To clarify this tomato is actually a bit larger than a large cherry tomato and is more of a very small salledette type, flavor was good according to those who tested it, it is being grown this year and will be available here as fresh seed this fall with any luck.
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Post by paquebot on Apr 28, 2008 17:34:45 GMT -5
Michel,
To find out how long Mischka has hated Ibsen, you have to search the Internet archives and find one of Mischka's rants on Garden Web. Tomato forum, Jan 28. 2002, concerning Marianna's Peace.
Martin
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Post by canadamike on Apr 28, 2008 17:51:20 GMT -5
Thanks Martin. I guess they are reliable then, since nobody here mentionned any personnal objection...although nobody voted for them either... |
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Post by PapaVic on Apr 28, 2008 21:19:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Bill. But, since I have confidence in your judgment, would you consider them reliable? I have read comments about bad seed germination, but this can happen to any company ... Michel Michel, I've never ordered seed from Tomatofest, and as far as I know, I've never grown seed bought from Tomatofest. So, really I can't say one way or the other about their reliability. Bill |
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Post by paquebot on Apr 28, 2008 23:34:02 GMT -5
Seeds from Tomatofest probably have as good a chance as any others when it comes to being correct. Just suspecting that someone has changed the name of a variety is enough to immediately place the entire stock is jeopardy. At least that's how it is with certain groups. Ibsen has admitted doing it. Probably makes a lot of people angry that they can't figure out what they were before and he won't say!
Martin
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Post by peppereater on Apr 29, 2008 1:28:27 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused here, but, is it the case that some seed suppliers will rename a variety for commercial purposes? I guess it would come as no surprise, but since growers take pains to research what they grow, it's a sorry thing to do. I suppose you could sell Yellow Pear by another name and charge $3.95 for 5 seeds.
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Post by PapaVic on Apr 29, 2008 7:30:13 GMT -5
Well, Tomatofest has a lot of varieties and pretty pictures. I've just never ordered from them because the owner is way too wine and cheesy, in my opinion.
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Post by kctomato on Apr 29, 2008 9:08:54 GMT -5
I dont care for wine and cheese myself. That aside I wonder about some of the critism. Oh I had my doubts about what Ibsen charged for MP seeds in the past but hey it's a market thing. But as far as taking something out there and renaming...that seems to me a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. What is the difference of taking something, oh lets just say a Brandywine for example, and without any real kind of breeding, simply selecting one you like better because it varied and did well for you and then giving it another name like OTV or Earl's Faux? OP's are considered stable, not perfect. One should be able to find differences within a population irregardless of the source. Gary has actually done a lot for the heirloom trade via changing the agendas of seed houses, commercial growers and coops. I see his name mentioned in the trade magazines regularly. I dont see the others names mentioned. Those wine and cheese parties DO draw people with money and influence. Ill stick to BBQ and soda (rarely do alcohol) but if you Indiana boys want your moonshine and skunk smelling corn patch weed, well thats ok with me. Just don't stand at the salsa table with those goofy Tom Petty faces eating all the chips - save some for the Okies. |
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Post by Jim on Apr 29, 2008 10:40:20 GMT -5
Ill stick to BBQ and soda (rarely do alcohol) but if you Indiana boys want your moonshine and skunk smelling corn patch weed, well thats ok with me. Okies. That's awesome...... |
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Post by PapaVic on Apr 29, 2008 12:40:17 GMT -5
When all y'all Okie types start badmouthin' Kentuckiana barbecue, skunk weed and musical tastes, boy, you can stand me up at the Gates of Hell and I won't back down ... naw, I won't back down.
pv
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Post by paquebot on Apr 29, 2008 16:03:53 GMT -5
I dont care for wine and cheese myself. That aside I wonder about some of the critism. Oh I had my doubts about what Ibsen charged for MP seeds in the past but hey it's a market thing. But as far as taking something out there and renaming...that seems to me a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. And you are so right! Someone didn't like the name Perry's Teasum and it got changed to Neves Azorean Red and that was OK. Ibsen took an as yet undisclosed variety and named it Julia Child and that was wrong. Think what you wish about Tomatofest but you'll find that a lot of SSE yearbook listings give that company as the original source. (It's To9.) Martin |
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Post by peppereater on Apr 29, 2008 21:06:19 GMT -5
When all y'all Okie types start badmouthin' Kentuckiana barbecue, skunk weed and musical tastes, boy, you can stand me up at the Gates of Hell and I won't back down ... naw, I won't back down. pv Well I'm not from Muskogee, first of all, and so far, no one has offered ME any skunk weed or barbecue from Indiana, so until you do, don't get Petty! |
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