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Post by silverseeds on Jul 11, 2009 0:58:07 GMT -5
whatever you say. OF course they came to the studies thinking it was medicinal because AMERICA used it for decades. They want to find out how medicinal and for what exactly. you must not have looked at many link in that site. killing 640 viruses isnt medicinal? show me ONE site saying its dangerous. and I will prove it wrong, well I already did actually because the only remote danger is algyria which was untreatable until recently, BUT if you make it right is impossible.
your literally 1000s of time more likely to die from taking 2 aspirin, then turning blue from colloidal silver. 1000s aspirin yearly, but only three known living people have algryria, one made his own INCORRECTLY for decades, another took a unknown silver product through her nose, in the 30s, and the other I forget.
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jul 11, 2009 1:24:11 GMT -5
Settle down, Silverseeds. I never said it was a problem for people. I said I don't believe tainted, anecdotal studies. Also, this is a thread about preventing worms in chickens, remember? I don't care if some dumbass turned himself blue doing colloidal therapy incorrectly. When I first researched colloidal silver therapy, I was researching it as a possibility for combating some of the effects of Lyme disease. I don't necessarily buy into big pharma medicine, and do my research. You are making assumptions about me that are specious. Here is a link to a Lyme Disease Treatment site (from Europe) that, among other things, questions colloidal silver use. www.lymeneteurope.org/info/Now, I realize the author is American, and references the FDA. Here is a description of the study he personally did:flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/033987.htmlAs I said, I'm sure I can find a naysayer for every yaysayer you provide. The difference is that I'm still looking for a REAL unbiased study, and you have been convinced. It's very possible that colloidal silver is effective in treating many things. I don't believe any substance is a near-miracle treatment for almost every ill.
I wouldn't give those 2 aspirin to my hens, either. Or willow bark. Now, really, can we get back to proven organic methods for worm prevention in chickens?
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Post by silverseeds on Jul 11, 2009 1:39:53 GMT -5
Sorry I took the thread off trackif thats what you think I did, the link you gave didnt say the benefits of silver but yet agreed with every word I said. Buying some silver salt or other type isnt colloidal silver and yes heavy metal can build in the body IF they are to big, which I alrwady addressed, the studies I showed you unless you didnt look at the site completely are in no way anecdotal and proven over the world for well over a hundred years. You most likely heklp your chickens and would be in out soil and food if not for the fact we mine it when we find it. But Im sorry if you think I took your thread off track. I didnt mean to I didnt read the rest of it, and yes scammers make thos eclaims which is why I gave you a better source. The second was pure propaganda and WAS anecdotal unlike what I linked, but I will stop just wanted to point out the obvious this was from the studies section of my link. from LABS and universites over the world. I could post hundreds more, studies if I took the time. Im merely making the case because it is truly as powerful as I claimed this link is right to the studies section rather then the main page. www.silvermedicine.org/scientificstudies.html |
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jul 11, 2009 1:51:27 GMT -5
Chickens, Silverseeds.... prevention of intestinal parasites in chickens....
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Post by silverseeds on Jul 11, 2009 1:53:03 GMT -5
lol it would help seriousy lol hey you tell me Im worng I cant defend myself come on lol try the pumpkin seeds then,but they arent as antibacterial ias silver if thats the part of the seeds that works
I forgot I HAVE heard the amish use oil of organo on chickens too. I think youd have to force feed it or something though Im not sure, and I dont know how much. It is strong dont need much but over a two week period for a human not sure about animals, might do a online search about oil of oregano
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jul 11, 2009 2:02:03 GMT -5
Worms aren't bacteria. An antibacterial isn't a help, it's medication for no reason. Exactly what I'm trying to avoid.
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Post by silverseeds on Jul 11, 2009 2:06:24 GMT -5
no it would help youd have to read all those studies to understand it lets the body do its thing which expels parisites and many other things any other antibacterial does. Im not just pestering you . Notice how every word you said about silver was straight out of one article, I studied it week before I put it in my body, the studies I showed you a drop in the bucket, but are among the first done under modern medical dogmas
also if you looked into it youd see it doesnt effect the body AT ALL its bizarre, your cells it just doesnt effect, in any way it does things on a certain way that kills certain types of things.
Im not the one who recomended pumpkin seeds, but was just saying if they work and it is the fact they are antibacterial which they are. I know Im using bad grammar now I must be tired.
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Post by silverseeds on Jul 11, 2009 2:16:26 GMT -5
I looked it up online this looked like a good site. www.citychicks.com.au/c/179565/1/natural-remedies.htmllol I went to look closer at the site I posted and they offer colloidal silver for the chickens so I guess you wont like it. sorry, I tried. I went back to the site again to see what they said about silver, it wasnt for worms, it was to keep them from getting sick, and disease, and keep their water clean. they did have a herbal thing for worms though thought Id list its descrption so you could look into these herbs if you wanted (Our wonderful discovery offering you a non-chemical alternative to killing worms in your chickens. It contains black walnut, wormwood and other herbs. (This formula is not suitable for horses) It is simply managed by putting in 1 drop into the feed of the chickens or in their water on a regular basis.) so wormwood and black walnut, likely the others are for taste, because those are strong like oil of oregano. but they are all for parisites. |
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jul 11, 2009 9:05:04 GMT -5
I have still not seen any info except anecdotal evidence, especially as it refers to poultry. Show me something that says empirically that feeding hens silver prevents worms. I think, Silverseeds, that you need to move on from the silver soapbox. Out of fairness, I have spent a couple hours following the links on that site, and I have seen none that studied the effects in people empirically... they did lots of studies in petri dishes, but dude... bleach will kill all those things in a petri dish as well. Doesn't mean I'm going to ingest it! Or, to stay on point, feed it to my chickens.
Here is what Sloan Kettering has to say about the use of colloidal silver. This was an especially telling quote: "No human studies have been conducted to test the medicinal effects of colloidal silver. There are a few case reports on its toxicity. "
www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm
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Post by grungy on Jul 11, 2009 14:57:42 GMT -5
Lavl, in the old days, the farmers use to use a small pinch of snuff in the grain to remove intestinal worms from all their livestock.
I am with you on the silver. Any way you look at it silver is still a heavy metal which is not really known as being condusive (sp) to great health.
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jul 11, 2009 16:57:22 GMT -5
Snuff as in chewing tobacco, Grungy? Or was it real snuff, the super powdery stuff? Interesting. I wonder if I could grow my own tobacco just for that purpose. Do you suppose it would have to be dried to a very specific humidity to work? As I said, currently the hens have no evidence of worms, so I have some time to experiment with preventatives.
In the course of my research, I've found a couple people who said they thought the black oil sunflower seeds seem to control intestinal parasites, too. I don't know about that, but I do know that BOSS is like crack for my hens, and I'm the dealer. I can get them to follow me anywhere if they think I have a pocketful of BOSS. They even come to the front door and beg for it, like little feathery trick-or-treaters. 
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Post by grungy on Jul 11, 2009 20:56:47 GMT -5
Either one. Just a very small pinch to say a quart of feed. dampen your feed just a little so the tobbaco dust sticks. A sack of "Bull Durham" tobacco should last you several years, if you use it 2-3 times a year.
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Post by bunkie on Jul 12, 2009 7:59:02 GMT -5
that was my first thought too val, tobacco. lav, i had some Burley Tobacco seeds somewhere around here. will see if i can find them...
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jul 12, 2009 8:33:15 GMT -5
Silverseeds made a good point in a PM... isn't tobacco poisonous to some animals? Or is it just human animals? 
Any thoughts on growing it myself to do this? Bunkie says she has some seed, and I'd trust the ingredients ("tobacco, and um, tobacco") more than a store bought pkg (tobacco and some 12 syllable additives). Obviously, I have no drying barn, so controlling the dry would be only as far as an oven dry or a garage hang dry could be controlled.
I do still want to know about the seeds and buttermilk, though, if anyone has ever used this method. When flies have been high in the coop (especially in the coop before we moved, as it wasn't as cleanable as the one I put up) I've mixed a little DE into the feed, as well. But the girls are suckers for seeds and dairy products, for real.
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Post by americangardener on Jul 12, 2009 11:02:11 GMT -5
Silverseeds made a good point in a PM... isn't tobacco poisonous to some animals? Or is it just human animals?
No comment on the silver stuff.. turning blue scares me... but i can say on the tobacco it is extremely poisonous if ingested. As few as three ciggerrettes if ingested is enough to kill an adult. It's not the tobacco.. it's the nicotine. And nicotine will kill any insect that ingests it. It attacks their central nervous system.. same as humans and chickens i suppose. Least i know it kills em.. even if they don't have nervous systems. It would stand to reason that if you're putting snuff in the feed Val.. it might be enough of a dose to kill the worms.. but not enough to kill the chickens. But it is deadly stuff people.. nicotine.. one drop on a dogs skin is enough to kill a large dog. Yes it is absorbed thru the skin too. Be carefull if you ever do work with it. Alan can tell you all about the drying process Bunkie.. he's an expert on growing tobacco. Dave |
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