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Post by Blueflint on Apr 16, 2010 12:57:23 GMT -5
Hi guys and gals... I have Bear Island corn planted now, should be up in a few days. I will also be growing out Cherokee White Flour Corn and possibly later on a flint corn depending ont he weather and local field corn, etc. Last year there were some rare corns grown out by some of you here on HG, some did well with these. I have some more corns tucked away if anyone is interested that need grow out badly, some are showing low germination rates. The ones I have will all be various Native American flours and flints. If anyone is interested, I can list what I have available. I will supply as large of a sample as I can (100-400 seed). They must be grown out in isolation or satggered tassel time to preserve purity. For anyone else interested in growing out a rare corn...if you are interested in heritage and are dedicated to preserving the purity of the seed stock, I will be glad to share these. In return I ask for 12 good ears. You can keep the balance of seed to do what you want with...breeding experiments, swapping, etc. Here is last year's discussion: alanbishop.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=corn&action=display&thread=1936&page=1Blueflint |
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Post by mnjrutherford on Apr 16, 2010 13:56:17 GMT -5
Man, I sure wish I could take you up on your offer, particularly with flour corn. Hope you are still around in a few years when I'm in a position to do it!  |
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Post by Blueflint on Apr 16, 2010 14:35:51 GMT -5
O.k. here is a quick list of what is available...
Cherokee White Flour "Sellu-yah" (Oklahoma strain)(old...low germination)
Cherokee"De-aur-le" mixed color (Oklahoma) (small sample)
Miami White Flour Corn (small sample)
Tuscarora White Flour (small sample)
Seneca Blue Bear Dance Flour
Wampum Flint (Mohawk)
Ganondagon Flint (Seneca)
King Phillip (Wampanoag)
Blueflint
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Post by canadamike on Apr 16, 2010 18:25:07 GMT -5
I just coming back from a meeting between a researcher from Agriculture Canada, the Alfred's organic ag college professors, Organic Meadows, the country's big organic dairy and grains coop. Many other players will step in later from the the canadian organic movement and abroad.
The idea is to totally redefine corn farming...read go back to the natives and the sustainable crowd of dreamers we represent.
As Alan and many others here know, I always strived for dwarf corns. I ain't alone in the bunch, a whole lot of the best corn breeders in history, the native people, did just that.
The idea is that with smaller corns there is less nitrogen (etc...) depletion of the soil AND, especially, there is also, like the few pictures of me in my patches of dwarf corns have proved, potential to use light penetration in between the rows to replenish the soil with legumes or else, probably legumes of course.
Doctor Berthiaume, an animal nutrition specialist from the ministry of agriculture strongly believe in that''scenario''.
He is coming back from aconference in Mexico where the idea has been bounced around with success. So we are talking international collaboration, then there is France and Kokopelli's antennas in Asia, the requests from Africa...
It is funny though...I am talking about something the natives have worked at intuitively for...milleniums maybe....
Blueflint, your BEAR ISLAND FLINT, which looks to me a lot like a flour corn with a flinty surrounding, to the point it is an exceptional ( in the sense of exception to the general rule) flour corn, will be kind of a guest of honor in the next years trials ( I'll grow it this year again, but theproject will start next year).
Just wanted you to know that. And thank you for having been the guy who made me discover ( get to know) it. And I thank MJC for having sent me enough replacement corn for the one from you that the squirrels ate all.
By the way, during the meeting, ''appétence'' french word for ''animal preference for the stuff'' was discussed, with regard to cows of course.
But my little story about the squirrels eating all my Bear Island plantings and leaving my modern corns alone had everybody laugh a good shot and made people feel good about it
Thought you would like to know.
And thank you again my friend.
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Post by marjeta on Apr 17, 2010 5:59:32 GMT -5
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 17, 2010 6:56:15 GMT -5
Astonishing! I wound up with (and just planted) corn that looks a lot like those big ones (I found some cobs in a bodega in NYC) Now at least I know that mine wasn't the only supply (and thefore If I completey screw up my growout it's only a loss to me, not a loss to everyone.) As far as I can tell they are all forms of a group of S. American corns used to make cancha (a kind of toasted corn, popular in the Andean region) Those really really dark ones are interesting though, dont think I bumped into any like that in my sample (they actually look like waht you would get if you crossed cancha with maiz morado (the really dark purple corn they use to make the beverage chicha morado. The skinny yellow kernels look a little like Texas Shoepeg (or I would imagine any other shoepeg hard corn).Finally that very little pale blue kerneled popcorn looks a little like Evia (it has blue and white kernels but in a small sample the white kernels might not be found) though that variety is Greek, not Bolivan
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Post by marjeta on Apr 17, 2010 10:07:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the identification. I'll write that down. It's very possible that they're not all from Bolivia - I will ask.
I'll post the photos of the plants and ears as soon as they're mature. I'll be happy to share the seeds in autumn if anyone will be interested.
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 17, 2010 11:55:26 GMT -5
No prob. BTW looking at it more carefully the blue and white speckled kernel which I took for one of the cancha's (on the grounds that a LOT of my stuff had strong specking) looks on closer inspection (where I seem to see a pronounced dent in the top) to be Cherokee White Eagle.
Just because The popcorn is Evia doesnt mean he didn't pick it up in Boliva. I have some Evia and I don't live in Greece. Seed get's all over the world. Evia is supposed to be particularly delicious, so I imagine it is fairly actively traded and there could be some in the Bolivian corn scene.
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 20, 2010 9:30:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the identification. I'll write that down. It's very possible that they're not all from Bolivia - I will ask. I'll post the photos of the plants and ears as soon as they're mature. I'll be happy to share the seeds in autumn if anyone will be interested. Here's a picture of what a few of the cobs I found looked like (before I broke them up) if that is of any help to you ![]() C:\Documents and Settings\Jeremy\My Documents\My Pictures\multicanchamini.JPG[/img] Attachments:
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Post by marjeta on Apr 20, 2010 9:57:15 GMT -5
Thanks for your help, Blueadzuki. I can't wait to see the corn growing. Your photo is very... artistic.  You should use it as your avatar.  |
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 20, 2010 13:40:12 GMT -5
Your photo is very... artistic. You should use it as your avatar. I though of that, but, to be frank, I'm waiting for some of my other crops to come in and take a picture of those instead. My screenname is not a made up affectation; I really do grow blue adzuki beans (well really really bright purple over pale green but the visual effect is blue) also black ones, white ones, tan ones, green ones, pinto ones all both with and without mottling (is amazing what you can dig out of imported bags of beans if you have a sharp eye.......) I think that will be a much more colorful avatar! |
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Post by marjeta on Apr 20, 2010 14:00:07 GMT -5
Hehe. This is contageous.... I'm already thinking of growing adzuki beans.  You should make more avatars and change them every season of the year or ...monthly? |
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Post by raymondo on Apr 20, 2010 15:33:49 GMT -5
And I thought adzukis only came in red! I'll start scanning packets in shops now.
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Post by Blueflint on Apr 23, 2010 13:10:24 GMT -5
Hey Mike,
Yes I really consider the Bear Island a hard/thick shelled flour and I listed it in the SSE yearbook as a flour, not a flint. What I find is many mix colored corns are usually called flint although they are not. This little guy has a lot of breeding potential to it. I like to grow it every couple years since it is so short of a season, I can sneak it in early and late.
Blueflint
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Post by grunt on Apr 23, 2010 18:48:56 GMT -5
Michel: You have a PM
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You should use it as your avatar. 
