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Post by lavandulagirl on Aug 15, 2010 21:26:54 GMT -5
Hey poultry people! I have a hen with lice for sure, so I need to treat all five of my chickens, and will probably use Sevin. Do ducks get lice, too? Or does their thick down kind of protect them? Also, can I treat the younger, smaller ones?
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Aug 15, 2010 21:58:34 GMT -5
Yes, Sevin is safe for waterfowl. It may be that your ducks don't have lice. The fact that they bathe often and have oily feathers seems to help them, but if you are concerned, then treat them too. I don't know the ages of your young ducks but I wouldn't treat them. Like most toxins, carbaryl is not recommended for use on young mammals so I would use that as a guideline when treating your waterfowl.
Repeat the treatment on the Chickens in 8 days to insure that the reproductive cycle of the parasite is broken.
Also, clean the henhouse, treat the nest boxes and roosts and rebed with fresh bedding.
For a safer treatment, you might want to search for the old thread on here where Hayne gave his recipe for garlic as a treatment.
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Post by ozarklady on Aug 15, 2010 22:33:31 GMT -5
I don't use Sevin for anything at all.
You could use the same food grade diatomaceous earth, just set out a box with enough in it that they dust themselves, and keep it replenished,
Personally, I have Ivermectin pour on for cattle that I use on my goats, dogs, and poultry.
It worms the animal and gets external parasites too all in one blow, and you just pour it on dogs and goats, and put in a spray bottle to mist the poultry, in skin access areas... armpits, rear ends etc.
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Post by lavandulagirl on Aug 15, 2010 23:51:15 GMT -5
Thanks, ladies. Ozarklady - I do use DE... the coop, the dustbath area, everything. I have only found lice on the one bird, but she is most definitely not feeling too well.
As for Hayne's garlic treatment, I have never been able to get my girls to eat garlic. They are odd, that group. In any case, I want to treat my girl, and as my day is already going to be clean cooptastic, I figure I'd probably best treat the rest as well. I will inspect the duclings tomorrow, and only treat them if I see lice.
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Post by flowerpower on Aug 16, 2010 5:43:20 GMT -5
Lice? Yucky! You must have flipped out when you saw that.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Aug 16, 2010 8:56:10 GMT -5
I don't use Sevin for anything at all. You could use the same food grade diatomaceous earth, just set out a box with enough in it that they dust themselves, and keep it replenished, Personally, I have Ivermectin pour on for cattle that I use on my goats, dogs, and poultry. It worms the animal and gets external parasites too all in one blow, and you just pour it on dogs and goats, and put in a spray bottle to mist the poultry, in skin access areas... armpits, rear ends etc. I'm curious why you won't use Carbaryl yet you use Ivermectin freely? I do not like to use chemicals for anything, but to say that you won't use Sevin yet use Ivomec is confusing to me? Secondly, any dog that has Border Collie in it's genetic makeup should not have Ivermectin unless administered by a Veterinarian. Google it...I think you'll be surprised... |
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Post by lavandulagirl on Aug 16, 2010 10:22:24 GMT -5
I'm really not a chemical person, myself. However, as I have also had the normal black fly population in the actual coop building increase exponentially with the intro of the ducks, as well as a couple of black widow sightings, I pulled all the birds out this morning and am fogging the coop. I removed all the bedding, as well. As soon as the feed store opens, I will go get some new bedding, as well as some cedar chips for the nests. A friend of mine has had some luck with tea tree oil baths, so I will pick that up too, and bathe the hens. Really, only one seems to be affected, but she is certainly looking very low. I will also be re-dusting the coop and run with DE, and then we'll see, I guess. I don't think I'll do the ducklings, right now. I went over them last night and found no sign of lice or mites or anything.
I think I'll hold off on the Sevin dust, due to the age of the ducklings. Blue - thanks for the article you PM'd me re: worming, by the way. If I have that problem next, I'll be ready!
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Post by ozarklady on Aug 16, 2010 10:45:07 GMT -5
Why would I be surprised? I know what they both are! I have used both in the past. Use Ivermectin freely? Not likely. I said I use it, not freely. I would much rather use Ivermectin once a month than Sevin weekly. I don't have any collies, and I was aware of the collie issue in Ivermectin. I just purchased Herbal Handbook for Farm and Stable, and I am saving up my pennies to get a microscope and do my own fecals, I have often stated it just doesn't fit my organic view to have to depend on chemicals for my animals. But, Ivermectin is prescribed for parasites in humans... did you know that? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectinwww.drugs.com/mmx/ivermectin.htmlwww.guinealynx.info/ivermectin.html (Ivermectin has been cleared for use in humans, swine and cattle, horses, and sheep. On March 1997, Stromectol (also ivermectin) was approved for use in humans as a treatment for infection with nondisseminated intestinal threadworm (strongyloidiasis). "Off-label" use of this product has been suggested for head lice in humans and scabies in immuno-compromised patients such as HIV/AIDS patients. ) Sevin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbaryl (Carbaryl is a cholinesterase inhibitor and is toxic to humans. It is classified as a likely human carcinogen by the United States Environmental Protection Agency) Yes, I prefer Ivermectin! A parasite load is cruelty to any animal, and they are our captives, so I violate my organic status in the area of animal parasites. There has to be a better way, but I haven't found it yet. I would quit gardening before I would put chemicals on it, and yet, I won't quit having animals, so I have to use chemicals to be humane to my animals, but it is minimal use, I assure you. |
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Aug 16, 2010 12:46:19 GMT -5
I'm really not a chemical person, myself. However, as I have also had the normal black fly population in the actual coop building increase exponentially with the intro of the ducks, as well as a couple of black widow sightings, I pulled all the birds out this morning and am fogging the coop. I removed all the bedding, as well. As soon as the feed store opens, I will go get some new bedding, as well as some cedar chips for the nests. A friend of mine has had some luck with tea tree oil baths, so I will pick that up too, and bathe the hens. Really, only one seems to be affected, but she is certainly looking very low. I will also be re-dusting the coop and run with DE, and then we'll see, I guess. I don't think I'll do the ducklings, right now. I went over them last night and found no sign of lice or mites or anything.
I think I'll hold off on the Sevin dust, due to the age of the ducklings. Blue - thanks for the article you PM'd me re: worming, by the way. If I have that problem next, I'll be ready! Lav, As Ozarklady points out, Ivermectin is used both for internal parasites as well as external, so a general purpose pharmaceutical. You can do it all in one fell swoop! |
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Post by ottawagardener on Aug 16, 2010 14:44:10 GMT -5
Very memorably, as children, my brother and I were playing in the chicken coop - including crawling into the laying boxes - I don't know why. I"m sure as an adult, I'd think this was very gross.
When we got out, we realized that we were covered in lice! Not knowing much about anything other than this was evidence and we were sure to get into trouble when my parents returned, we stripped naked, there and then, and scrubbed ourselves and our clothes with soap then gave them a high pressure spray down with the hose.
The memory still makes my skin crawl.
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Post by flowerpower on Aug 17, 2010 6:19:23 GMT -5
Blue, any chance you still have that link to the all natural goat deworming? That was a pretty informative page. Thanks  |
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Aug 17, 2010 7:10:47 GMT -5
Poultry lice are Host specific meaning they will crawl on a human but they won't take up permanent residence. Doesn't make a transient experience with them any less disgusting  FP, Here's the link for natural dewormers in ruminants, which incidentally also lists some selections for other barnyard denizens. eap.mcgill.ca/agrobio/ab370-04e.htm |
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Post by flowerpower on Aug 18, 2010 6:04:23 GMT -5
That's the one. Thanks |
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Post by ozarklady on Aug 18, 2010 10:16:05 GMT -5
I was looking for something organic to get rid of ticks. Not on animals, I keep getting them on me, from the garden. I see chipmunks, squirrels etc there. Obviously, I can't use something to get rid of their ticks. And I don't want to use poisons so I was looking for organic ideas.
In my search, I discovered that Boric Acid, and 20 mule team borax, work great on pests, and are pretty environmentally friendly. It even seems to work against termites, ants and roaches, not through chemical interventions. But it is relatively safe for humans and animals.
Folks can use it against fleas and roaches too. I will be adding boric acid and borax to my arsenal. But still have to use DE in the garden, even against ticks, since boric acid is toxic to plants. But if I get bugs in the house, I will use the boric acid, and cleaning with 20 mule team borax, makes your house permanently free of insects!
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Aug 18, 2010 10:46:27 GMT -5
Borax is the main ingredient in Ant Traps.
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