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Post by oldmobie on Oct 3, 2014 13:08:39 GMT -5
Found an interesting looking kernel on one of my Astronomy Domine cobs. Do you think this is an inheritable characteristic?  I'd say that it could be hereditary. I had corn like that in part of my patch. It was on the opposite side from my Astronomy Domine, limited to an area where I planted a small quantity of mixed corn from a trade. About a third of the seed I put in looked like that, only more shriveled. A few of my ears looked like that, but only within the area where I planted those seeds. It was hereditary, at least in my case. I think it comes froom Hookers sweetcorn. I've got my eye on one ear that shows signs of crossing, with purple yellow and white on one ear.  |
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Post by nathanp on Oct 3, 2014 23:13:16 GMT -5
The shriveled see may just be because it is past the milk stage and already drying out. If so, that may be a sign those kernels have higher sugar content. Unshriveled kernels in the drying process point to crossing with non-sweet corn.
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Post by starry on Oct 22, 2014 13:57:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies. I am going to grow this seed in isolation from the rest of the corn next year for fun and see what comes of it. I like the white with purple speckles..very interesting.
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Post by flowerweaver on Oct 22, 2014 21:04:15 GMT -5
Starry, you should ask blueadzuki as he is the most knowledgeable about stippled corn which he collects and grows. |
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Post by steev on Oct 22, 2014 21:12:02 GMT -5
And sends to fortunate others to grow.
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Post by blueadzuki on Oct 22, 2014 21:48:04 GMT -5
When I have extra to spare (sorry to dampen, but I had some bad experiences on previous sites (don't want to name names) with people who assumed that "happy to share" meant " will give you absolutely every seed I have of anything you want including anything I have yet to get, because you are more important than me and I am your slave and exist only to serve you.")
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Post by reed on Mar 5, 2015 5:14:34 GMT -5
Joseph Lofthouse, Looking back at some of Alan's old posts I see AD contained a considerable amount of se. It sounds like however that you consider it to be su. Does the se, due to being less tolerant of cold or less vigorous overall tend to remove itself from from the mix? Assuming I am correct that se is indeed less vigorous. Or is it because the se might still be there but tends not to express itself in the correct proportion to matter?
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 5, 2015 11:28:07 GMT -5
Joseph Lofthouse, Looking back at some of Alan's old posts I see AD contained a considerable amount of se. It sounds like however that you consider it to be su. Does the se, due to being less tolerant of cold or less vigorous overall tend to remove itself from from the mix? Assuming I am correct that se is indeed less vigorous. Or is it because the se might still be there but tends not to express itself in the correct proportion to matter? In my garden, homozygous se corn germinates poorly and grows slower. So it tends to eliminate itself from the gene pool. The se gene is still present in my version of Astronomy Domine, but it's been diluted. I could actively retain it by tasting each cob and placing more emphasis on saving seed from the sweetest tasting cobs. I estimate that this year's Astronomy Domine seed contains about 2% se+ kernels. So because se is recessive perhaps 8% of the plants in the patch have retained the se gene. It started out at around 30%. If I ever got my act together, I would grow a hybrid as my market corn: A cross between sugary enhanced sweet corn and Astronomy Domine. That would have the reliability of the old fashioned sweet corn with the extra sugar from the sugary enhanced. I'm sure missing my big field... So many corn projects... So little space... |
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Post by reed on Mar 5, 2015 12:00:46 GMT -5
I kinda figured that. I'm thinking with the short season se's like Spring Snow, advertised as doing well in cool soil, I might able to put that back in and let it evolve into an OP. People around here wouldn't buy or want plain su I don't think.
Yes, more space would be wonderful. The neighbor who I borrowed my new patch from has 100 acres I could probably take my pick from but I don't have the equipment. I might work around that by borrowing from another neighbor but can't afford to fence it. Around here you can't grow a petunia without a fence, no matter how much deer steak you eat.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 5, 2015 12:20:16 GMT -5
I sell every ear of Astronomy Domine that I take to market, and people would buy more if I took more... There are lots of people that won't eat modern sweet corn because shrunken corn tastes medicinal, and sugary enhanced is too sweet and too mushy. They just want the plain old sweet corn that they remember from their youth.
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Post by reed on Mar 5, 2015 17:26:19 GMT -5
I agree with them. I think maybe people here have forgotten what it should taste like. For a long time I just thought I didn't like corn anymore while everyone else it seems is in love with.
Maybe I can have a happy medium, if not I'll just pitch out the extra shriveled kernels, plant in cool damp, till the se goes away.
Do you have any problem with having to sell it very quickly after picking, or are there people there waiting for you to show up with it?
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 5, 2015 18:37:48 GMT -5
reed: I pick Astronomy Domine sweet corn just before dark. It's at market first thing the next morning. I don't give it special treatments like icing. It still tastes great. I'm careful to advertize it for what it is "Old fashioned sweet corn. Chewy and not too sweet." I've had people crying in front of me because Astronomy Domine reminds them of home.
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Post by steev on Mar 5, 2015 21:58:01 GMT -5
I don't know how we got to the point where "sweet" equals "good"; not to disparage "sweet", but it's so monotone; like being pleased with a box of crayons that are all the same color: kind of misses the point.
I'm very partial to Golden Bantam, admittedly probably because that's what Grandad fed me before I knew there's more than one kind of corn. I might re-order my preference if somebody can breed a sweet corn that tastes like bacon.
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Post by DarJones on Mar 5, 2015 23:21:28 GMT -5
I've grown several se X su crosses over the last 10 years. IMO, they do not gain enough to justify the effort of breeding them except for further breeding work and variety development. I hope to grow about 40 F2 plants from a cross of Country Gentleman X Silver King (su X se+) this year. With a bit of luck 2 or 3 of them will be pure se+ and pure shoepeg. I will probably backcross the selected plants to the F2 plants next year so I can develop a pure breeding line of shoepeg se+ corn.
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Post by ottawagardener on Mar 6, 2015 8:30:37 GMT -5
Anyone experience a lot of corn smut on this corn?
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