Marina di Chioggia

[bluelacedredhead]

There are those of us who enjoy the mutations in the garden. Look at Lav's lovely storebought Musque de Provence that she shared with a warning that it may or may not be a Purebred!

I think if you were to share seeds with others for this Marina di ChiOgre it would be fine as long as the Recipients were aware of it's differences. In turn, any sharing they do in future should be accompanied by information that squash produced may not breed true. Simple yes?

[flowerpower]

Since I did not bag any blossoms, it should be interesting to see what I get from the saved seed.

[flowerpower]

Here is a pic of my Dill's Atlantic Giants. Not so giant. lol They were about 35, 75, and 140. Not so bad since I did nothing to them. And they didn't go in until July, since we had frost until June 15. I'll hope for better next yr.

[bluelacedredhead]

Too bad about the pumpkinfest. Keep working on the organizers to make it a bit earlier. They look decent though, even if they didn't achieve competition weight.

[flowerpower]

Did anyone see the new Baker Creek catalog? They show a huge pic of a Marina exactly like my weird warty one. Their FB page has a better pic of it. I got the seed from them. So it is an issue with the seeds. It is either a mutation of some kind, or they were not isolated properly when grown for seed.

[galina]

I would say the single one with deeper warts is more developed and has bulged out at the base as well as the warts.

With squashes my experience is that occasionally it is hard to see whether an individual fruit is true to type or not. They are not as uniform as other vegetables, growing conditions and climate affects them much more than other veg. The worst for variability are the maxima squashes, the pepos are more uniform. The moschata are also variable, butternuts can be anything from barrel shaped to very pear shaped and be true breeding.

Those Long Pie are fabulous. Here are some of mine, nowhere near as big!

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[flowerpower]

Those are some nice looking Long Pie. How long till they turned orange? This is the first yr I have grown it. I know it takes a while with this one. The fruit you wrote on is exactly what I expected it to look like. Are the ones in the middle supposed to have that skinny neck? I was unaware it had 2 shapes. I bought my seeds from Sandhill.

As for that weird shaped Marina, it was definitely not environmental. It was one vine in particular that gave those odd shaped ones. Other vines were true to type. Baker Creek also had both types appear in their growouts. So I guess we planted form the same lot #. I have seeds left from this yr's package, so I'll plant more next season & see what happens. I love the look of the warty one. The weirder, the better.

[bluelacedredhead]

Oooooooo, nice Long Pie. I am soooo looking forward to growing LP in 2011.

[galina]

Dec 13, 2010 6:59:35 GMT -5 flowerpower said:

Those are some nice looking Long Pie. How long till they turned orange? This is the first yr I have grown it. I know it takes a while with this one. The fruit you wrote on is exactly what I expected it to look like. Are the ones in the middle supposed to have that skinny neck? I was unaware it had 2 shapes. I bought my seeds from Sandhill.

My original seeds go back a while, they were from the Abundant Life Seed Foundation before the fire. ALSF seeds often showed a bit of wide genetic variability. I noticed that with other varieties too and it is a sign of health and adaptability. Easy to select out if desired. Alternatively it could be they were a bit short of water as they were developing. The barrel form is the usual form. They stay green on the vine and turn yellow off the vine very shortly after harvest. They keep very well. Hope you like them too Bluelacedredhead.

[flowerpower]

Thanks, Galina.

[bluelacedredhead]

TY Galina. FP is sharing seeds with me. This is where environment plays a part. Same seed source; one mountain garden in Zone 4, one urban garden in the Niagara Fruit Belt Zone 6
Always fun to compare.

[galina]

Dec 13, 2010 6:59:35 GMT -5 flowerpower said:

As for that weird shaped Marina, it was definitely not environmental. It was one vine in particular that gave those odd shaped ones. Other vines were true to type. Baker Creek also had both types appear in their growouts. So I guess we planted form the same lot #. I have seeds left from this yr's package, so I'll plant more next season & see what happens. I love the look of the warty one. The weirder, the better.

It is far away from the standard form for this variety. No protruding button and the longer shape. Interesting to see whether the rest of the packet produces the same.

[galina]

Dec 15, 2010 9:16:59 GMT -5 bluelacedredhead said:

TY Galina. FP is sharing seeds with me. This is where environment plays a part. Same seed source; one mountain garden in Zone 4, one urban garden in the Niagara Fruit Belt Zone 6
Always fun to compare.

And we'll love to compare the pictures next year Good growing

[8ofgac]

Oct 14, 2010 6:45:45 GMT -5 flowerpower said:

Is this a Marina di Chioggia? It's supposed to be "flatter". Look at the one in the second pic.





Top- Rouge vif D'Etampes, Superfreak (saved seed), Marina di Chioggia
Bottom- Acorn (Hip-Gnosis Mass Cross), Delicata X (Hip Gnosis Delicata/Acorn Mass Cross), Pattypan X, New England Pie x luxury Pie, Baby Boo, Hooligan, Pomme D'or (?)

Can I buy som seeds from you from that elongated Marina di Chioggia you got ?