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Post by mjc on Jun 1, 2011 10:05:22 GMT -5
Joseph, you are forgetting one very highly concentrated form of 'free' energy...lightning.
The only problem with it, though, is that it tends to be 'too' concentrated...massive voltage at unreal amperage, in a split second. Trying to capture THAT and turn it into something useful would be fantastic, but the engineering behind it would be outrageously expensive.
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Post by steev on Jun 1, 2011 21:55:21 GMT -5
Living in Oakland, I decided years ago that it was just too stupid to pee in the toilet and flush it off to poopyland with some of the cleanest water on Earth, Sierra snowmelt. I've long used it to augment my compost piles, and now find a gallon of pee down the burrow is an excellent gopher purge.
When I get around to building a house on the farm, I intend to incorporate tubing in the slab through which I can run water from the well, ~55F, on its way to irrigate, as cooling in Summer.
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Post by reubent on Jun 1, 2011 23:00:15 GMT -5
what you are seeing in lightning is a massive amount of energy, and it may not be as hard to capture as it may seem.
Actually an inventor some 130 years ago figured out how to do it, by creating artificial lightning continuously and then collecting the resulting discharge. So he didn't have to wait for a storm to come along either.
What he discovered is that the energy is there all the time, the storm just sets up a condition that unbalances it, and "BOOM" it shorts out. By creating the high voltage and collecting the resulting disturbance in a controlled manner, he made the guys who wanted to profit from energy sales very disturbed. Because it collected so much energy so easily it was going to put them all out of business. No oil needed, no power lines needed, (eliminates the meters) just cheap little generators for every vehicle, home, and business. An electrical engineer in recent times (Don L Smith) took the same technology, made it solid state, and put into a matchbox sized box a big enough power supply to run an electric car on, no input, a flashlight battery will run it, and recharge itself, just using that high voltage polarization of the same energy the storm is shorting out. Sorry, you won't be able to buy one any time soon, there's still too much money to be made selling energy, and that would replace every bit of it. You'll have to dig for the technology and build one. And the more I learn about it the simpler it gets. Should be real easy and cheap to make the generators once we get the details figured out. So far I've never seen detailed plans, just principals of operation and circuit diagrams which a few people with some electronics skills can get to work and some can't.
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Post by synergy on Jun 1, 2011 23:32:52 GMT -5
reubent, that sounds fascinating. I do not have much of a graps of energy matters but I keep thinking there must be some small grass roots level projects we could incorporate to get static electricity for the air, things like that. If you figure it out can you share it in a simplified form?
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Post by reubent on Jun 1, 2011 23:51:33 GMT -5
Once I get it functional for myself I plan on drawing up detailed plans and throwing it out there with no strings attached. My problem is; Time. I'm busy doing what it takes to survive life, so progress is slow. And everyone who gets into it, quickly sees the potential, thinks they're gonna make a killin on it, and hides the details hoping to be the first to profit from it. hence details are hard to come by, but I think I can work them out by experimentation.
And the other trouble is. most people think "if it was possible it would have already been done"
But maybe not. I know it has already been done, many times over the last 100 years, by men who have been threatened into silence. (or murdered if they refused to be silenced) because of the terrible threat it poses to big energy profits. We'll have to do it, enjoy it and shut up.
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Post by nuts on Jun 2, 2011 16:37:11 GMT -5
No,this is not possible,put in a simple form,these devices,which by the way you won't ever find nowhere -because the big companies are after it-,appears to be a swindie.
Every way to turn some form of energy in electricity has a cost,no matter if the 'raw' energie is sunradiation,wind,fossil(coal or oil),nuclear,or whatever.
Yes,wind is free,but turning it into electricity is not free,there are allways financial AND environmental costs.
There is no free lunch!
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Post by mnjrutherford on Jun 2, 2011 19:44:52 GMT -5
I can't help but think that the answers are right under our noses. Everything on the planet moves constantly and without any know visible "assistance". Every body in the galaxy moves. How? How is it we have not figured out how to use this? There must be some sort of answer that is being overlooked. But, WHAT?
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Post by steev on Jun 2, 2011 21:56:21 GMT -5
There IS free lunch, but it tastes like gopher.
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Post by reubent on Jun 8, 2011 15:48:34 GMT -5
I fail to understand the logic of those who claim all those alternative energy inventions are fake, while refusing to investigate. It took me a long time to find the stuff, ran into it by accident, and then I took months to read it through until I understood what was going on. Now I understand the nature of the stuff to some extent, and I know the world could have been running on it instead of fuel ever since it was invented/discovered 130 years ago. But fuel burning for energy took off instead because there was money in it for the big guys.
It's a fact that energy inventions quickly exceeded IC engine technology way back about the time IC technology was getting started, but the utilization of inventions came to a fast halt where the most money was to be made long term.
I have come to the conclusion that a magnetic field is something significantly more than we always thought it was. Many inventors have figured out how to cancel or bypass the back EMF on generators and transformers, (more power out than it) but that would replace fuel sales, industry doesn't dare go there, it would upset the richest men on earth. They are like monstrous lions we don't dare disturb for our personal safety.
In addition it seems a very high single polarity voltage (2000 and up) pulsed at frequencies above 20 kHz is capable of creating very powerful magnetic fields from which can be extracted 1000's of times more power than it took to create them. then transformed back down and used to run things, like motors. It's a strange form of power being collected, being called cold electricity because under load a motor turns cold instead of hot. get shocked by it and it causes frost bite instantly.
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Post by mnjrutherford on Jun 8, 2011 19:28:55 GMT -5
So have you actually built one of these systems yourself? If you haven't, what is the barrier?
See, much as I want to, I just plain don't understand this stuff. Everyone has done their level best to help me, but... well... I was born to bake bread not build engines.
HOWever, I am VERY concerned about energy and where it comes from. IF I were able to develop something like this, I would freely distribute the knowledge willy nilly. I don't understand why someone would develop such a thing then keep it quiet. If these inventors really were being executed for their work, by the time what they were doing came to the attention of the bad guys, there should be so many good guys with working models, it would be ringing a bell to murder the originator.
Do you understand what I mean? I hope I'm making sense here. I'd LOVE to have plans for something like this because my husband could build it and once we had one, we'd help others build them as well. All we need are the plans.
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Post by steev on Jun 8, 2011 20:02:20 GMT -5
I find it really hard to buy that there is anything from which one can get more out than he puts in, other than a Ponzi scheme. Call me old-fashioned, but I believe in Newtonian physics and Relativity, quantum physics doesn't seem to impact my day-to-day activities much, and perpetual-motion machines are bullshit, in my opinion.
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Post by johno on Jun 9, 2011 1:19:02 GMT -5
I remember back around '79 or so watching Johnny Carson one night. There was a guy by the last name of Newton (no relation to Isaac...) who explained his machine, then showed video tape of it powering the lights of a large open building - it was some kind of exhibition center in Louisiana. He started the machine revolving with a single push or swing (whatever the term is for starting a wheel spinning by hand), so it did take an initial input. He claimed it would run for about a day before needing another assist, and could power a typical home. It was not a perpetual motion machine but came close. He was an inventor, and said something about combining the way a gyroscope works with the way electricity flows through copper. (Keep in mind this is the recollection of someone who was in about fifth grade at the time - me, that is.) In the process for applying for a patent, they rebuilt his machine and changed his design by grounding it, then said it didn't work so he was denied the patent. (I read on wiki that 'over unity' machines and the like are the only things that require that a patent official builds a replica to prove it works or not instead of just looking at the design, oddly enough...) Ever since that episode of The Tonight Show, I've been fascinated with the concept, but only in recent years has it been relatively easy to watch videos of these supposed machines.
I guess to me the jury's still out. I have a friend with a mechanical engineering and industrial design degree from Purdue (best man at my wedding, in fact) who whole-heartedly believes this technology is possible. He has the beginnings of a similar generator in his shop. I checked in recently to see how the project is coming along. As a single father, it has taken a back burner to paying work, I was disappointed to hear. I'm eager to see how it turns out.
In the history of scientific advances, many things have been viewed as impossible until they weren't. By our current understanding, these machines are impossible, but surely we have more to learn.
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Post by steev on Jun 9, 2011 12:37:03 GMT -5
Certainly true that there is much left to learn, and I am (fortunately) never crushed by being proven wrong. I agree that something from next-to-nothing would be potentially wonderful, but I just don't see it happening. Make it happen and I will applaud in wonder and gratitude. Show me the dilithium crystals, Scotty.
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Post by Darth Slater on Jun 10, 2011 0:04:21 GMT -5
If you can get a hold of enough zince rods and drive them about 9 feet into the ground you could generate enough energy to run most appliances in your home forever, here is the turd in the punch bowl..try to find that much zinc and if you could..you would have the government on you so fast.......this concept has been around forever and when i was in school {Mi State}
I saw it on a very small scale with suprisisng results.
Also, if we were using Tesla instead of Edison we would be much further ahead.
I would also like to see a working drip system piece by piece closeup pics of a homemade rig that can do 3 acres of 50 ft rows.
Anyone?
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Post by steev on Jun 10, 2011 2:06:43 GMT -5
If you mean irrigate 3 acres with drip all on one line at one time, I doubt it can be done, bacause the flow needed to get to to furthest end would blow things out at the near end.
However, if you had a large common line from which to tee off your drip lines, and your gpm was adequate to serve your total emitters, it might be possible. Perhaps you'd need a perimeter pipe, so as to charge your lines from more than one direction.
It's really a problem of what are you growing, how much water does it need, how often, and how much can you deliver over what time period.
To be more specific: My pump is solar, operating from ~9:45AM to ~6:30PM, pumping from 1-3gpm, depending on height of the sun and cloudiness. I use 1/2" pvc pipe from the well to battery-powered 6-valve timer-controllers, also 1/2" pvc from each valve to the rank that will be a circuit. For my trees, I have 1/2" drip tube into which I insert 2gph emitters as needed. For my row crops, I have 1/2" drip tube with pre-included 1/2gph emitters 1' apart; this comes in 100' rolls to which I add hose connectors so I can add/subtract lengths to get a circuit that fits a given need. I also have tube with 1gph or 2gph emitters at 1' or 2' spacing. What I use depends on the plants the circuit is to serve.
Since I don't grow 3 acres of one thing, my system seems complex, but the whole idea is that I can grow 150' of squash, 400' of beets and turnips, 250' of fruit-trees, whatever. I just have to configure any given timer circuit to the needs of what I'll be growing on it and the gallon/hours of water available.
Have I made this perfectly opaque?
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