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Post by mamangenevieve on Dec 28, 2010 12:39:55 GMT -5
I've been looking for an edible wind break and I think I found one in the Korean pine. Problem is, I don't know where to get some. Can anyone look through their catalogs and let me know if there are any in there. Once I have the name of a distributor, I can order some seeds for myself. Of course, if anyone has some of these pines and can ship seeds to Canada, I'd gladdly pay for them!
Any leads would be great!
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Post by mjc on Dec 28, 2010 12:57:19 GMT -5
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Post by mamangenevieve on Dec 28, 2010 23:06:47 GMT -5
Thank you so much! This is exactly the kind of information I was hoping to get.
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Post by atash on Dec 29, 2010 12:46:52 GMT -5
I've been considering one of the smaller-statured but larger-seeded pines myself, for pine-nuts. Pine-nuts are too expensive for me to buy anymore.
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Post by castanea on Dec 29, 2010 20:17:27 GMT -5
I wonder how this one might do in Seattle: www.conifers.org/pi/pin/maximartinezii.htmLargest pine cone and pine nuts in the world, on a small tree. The tree is native to northern Mexico. It appears to be hardy to abouy zone 8. |
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Post by atash on Dec 30, 2010 17:11:49 GMT -5
Wow, interesting find! That's one rare tree. Might be worth having just to preserve it.
I did the math and the low end of the elevation range is 5,249 feet, the high end around 8,366. In southern Mexico I'd be pushing my luck below about 9,000 feet That's central Mexico so it should be within the realm of possibilities. It must have survived the ice ages when it probably regularly saw snow. Probably still sees overnight frosts in winter. Conifers are often coldhardier than their native habitats suggest thanks to their pitchy sap; one problem with pines tho is most of them aren't designed for heavy rain. I'd put it out on my farm which receives an average of 69 inches of rain a year.
Ironically probably going extinct due to a drier climate in modern epochs.
At our arboretum we have collections of Mexican pine trees such as Montezuma Pine, which extends into higher altitudes but is overall distributed further south. There might be one out at the Ballard Locks too. I should ask Arthur the local tree expert and see what he thinks.
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Post by castanea on Dec 30, 2010 23:44:53 GMT -5
I have two of them in pots. I got them from Forest Farm. They're more than five years old. I'm at about 60 feet elevation. Beautiful blue coloration with a slightly weeping growth habit. They have handled 17 degrees in the pots with no protection and no damage. They handle our rainy winters with no problems. I have not always given them the attention they have deserved but they don't seem to mind. My impression is that they are pretty tough. I suspect what is giving them problems thriving in Mexico is indeed the dry climate.
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Post by silverseeds on Dec 31, 2010 0:59:11 GMT -5
Many pines have survived the transition to a drier climate. Thats same edible nut pine forest extended well into north america at one time as well. The populations have been so isolated there are many species. I have the ones from new mexico if anyone is interested. which by the way atash, years ago i found a guy in washington who grew the ones from here in new mexico, and said they grew much faster there then here, and produced yearly at a much younger age as well...... He had a bit better luck from these out of the ones from the americas. If you want to try a few let me know.
If you live in a warm area, where it is dry there is a rare one in texas. Its shorter then most, and the most drought tolerant of all the pine adaptations that sprung out of the climate having gotten drier. Im slowly collecting all of them i can get, including those from outside the americas, and warmer regions then my own. i find edible nutted pines very interesting.
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Post by castanea on Dec 31, 2010 2:01:48 GMT -5
Some say that the rare one in Texas has the best tasting nuts.
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Post by silverseeds on Dec 31, 2010 2:05:37 GMT -5
Some say that the rare one in Texas has the best tasting nuts. i know a guy from here in NM that has had them, he likes ours better, they can have a nearly sweet taste, but better then those Ive tasted from stores. BUT he said those are almost as good, and more importantly they have a thin shell. Many have a hard shell over each and every tiny pine nut. not to easy to process. those texas ones, you just slide off a papery shell. |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Dec 31, 2010 2:12:52 GMT -5
I am surrounded by piñon pines. You think I can ever gather any for food? Not a chance. I always miss the window of opportunity and the animals have absconded with them before I even knew what happened.
We get about 10" of rain in a year.
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Post by silverseeds on Dec 31, 2010 2:38:46 GMT -5
joseph if you really wanted to get some for some reason, presuming their growth habit is similar to the ones here in new mexico, you could pick the cones before they open. the tribes here used to do that back in the day. I did it before, there was no difference in taste I noticed.
I never had a problem getting as much as I wanted here. when they produce, there is more then any of the animals can use, and they lay on the ground for weeks. If you have one of those tree shakers, or tie a truck to a tree, you can get masses of them here pretty easy. but like i said, there are a few pounds under each tree for many weeks.
I do remember reading in some test in Italy I believe?? these new mexico ones were among the higher producers......
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Post by cortona on Dec 31, 2010 9:22:54 GMT -5
i have some of the edible seed pines growing around.. almost every pine here in fatc is of the edible seed variety... so if anybody want some seeds just ask and i wil provide seeds for everybody
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Post by fruitnut on Jan 11, 2011 9:34:55 GMT -5
I was looking for pine seeds last fall and received my order from the states within a 2 week window ( from Sheffield's) . Planted them up and during the "warm stratification" period 2 germinated on me! Now babysitting 2 seedlings through winter (arrghhh) Needless to say the rest went quickly into cold storage/potted underground.
Just an fyi, the experimental farm in Ottawa has beautiful old Korean and Siberian pines growing in the arboretum. Quite an assortment of tree seed is available if you take a walk around there!
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Post by ottawagardener on Jan 11, 2011 12:30:40 GMT -5
I noticed though not the Korean pine  Genvieve - a couple nurseries that might be of interest to you: Grimno Nuts Golden Bough Tree Nursery and one with Pine nuts: Rhoras Nut Farm and Nursery I've not bought from them before so I don't the quality or anything like that of their stock. Anyone? |
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