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Post by Alan on Jan 18, 2011 23:19:27 GMT -5
I'm looking for some diversity within this species as my friend and author extrodinaire (the cultivators handbook of natural tobacco) is sending me some very sacred seed which I will blog about soon. I would like to compare and contrast varieties both in terms of agronomics and ritual use (maybe).
Yes, I know, it's very high nicotine.
Anyhow, will gladly trade some of my El Diablo tobacco seed grex w/tons of diversity for some samples.
Anybody with any of the ones from Native Seeds/SEARCH?
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Post by oxbowfarm on Dec 31, 2011 9:07:00 GMT -5
I am somewhat interested in N. rustica's potential as a broad spectrum pesticide. Many years ago I read a gardening book written by an English writer for UK gardeners and he was actively promoting using tobacco waste to produce a homemade liquid pesticide spray. The kind of tobacco waste he was talking about being commonly available is almost certainly not available here in NY, probably not even in the UK any longer. This book was a few decades old when I was reading it back in the early 90s. Kind of a crotchety old dude but a very interesting take on gardening, sort of a 50's style modernization of Victorian techniques. Cannot remember the name of the author or the book or I would seek it out.
But does anyone use Tobacco for an homebrew pesticide?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 21:19:37 GMT -5
I have an N rustica with yellow blossoms, and it has pods, right now. I knew there were different Nicotianas, but was unaware that there were different rusticas.
I never had a problem, coming into contact with the green or dried stems and leaves.
When my pores were open from very hot weather, and I was harvesting seedpods, I found that rumors of overdose from the ethnobotanical community were true. As I recall, the pods were somewhat resinous, and I had wiped my face with it.
I started to get the same feelings from inhaling the mist of potent brews. I have never found a way not to come into contact with the mist and honestly don't know of a responsible way to use it in a high traffic area.
Small bits of leaf could safely be smoked, but they leave behind soot, which remains very active, on deep inhalations.
I've tried blends with different, legal highs. If it's herbal, I've probably used it, but mixing rustica with any other combustible seems to potentiate the mix to the point of causing side effects.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Feb 6, 2012 7:14:01 GMT -5
I started to get the same feelings from inhaling the mist of potent brews. I have never found a way not to come into contact with the mist and honestly don't know of a responsible way to use it in a high traffic area. Sorry degzing, I'm seeking clarification here. Do you mean "use" in a pesticidal capacity or a recreational one? If you can't spray the stuff without endangering yourself that is good information.
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Post by greltam on Feb 6, 2012 11:22:19 GMT -5
I've grown N. Rustica for 2 seasons thus far, with the purpose of smoking. I let it dry to a brown without properly curing before smoking, and yes, it has a very "sooty" quality going down. However, its increased potency led to me greatly cutting back on the number of cigarettes I smoked in a day to about 1 or 2 from 10ish(Though that might be from the lack of the many additives major cigarette companies add in). I don't believe I will ever use it as an insecticide. If it indiscriminately kills the good with the bad, then it's not for me. Last season my garden was SWARMING with what appeared to be predatory wasps. I really didn't have any problem with bugs eating my plants. Mostly rabbits eating the lettuce
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 18:33:51 GMT -5
I started to get the same feelings from inhaling the mist of potent brews. I have never found a way not to come into contact with the mist and honestly don't know of a responsible way to use it in a high traffic area. Sorry degzing, I'm seeking clarification here. Do you mean "use" in a pesticidal capacity or a recreational one? If you can't spray the stuff without endangering yourself that is good information. No problem. I wanted you to know that you can't spray it, without endangering yourself. I assume that potent, industrial nicotine applications are applied with a ventilator. If other people have safely applied infusions of the leaf, I can only guess that the leaves were well cured, or the solution was very weak. Between the household water sprayer or the hose mister, I have never found a set up which won't drip on you, or won't blow back, into your eyes and nose. People and animals should probably avoid the area, but I am unsure of how long. Maybe, if it was applied to sugar or some kind of bait, at least, it wouldn't be air born. I have asked many people about the safe use of this plant, and never got satisfactory answers. All seemed to be reposting word of mouth or another author. If you find out more reliable information, please share your findings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 18:40:11 GMT -5
yes, it has a very "sooty" quality going down. Please beware that leftover soot in your pipe is still very full of nicotine. If this gets very hot, the dose will be much more than from a bit of dry leaf. Natives and Nicot used rustica for fascinating, medicinal applications. I apologize for all the gloom and doom. I just want you to be safe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 18:52:26 GMT -5
I started collecting tobacco seeds, when I read that rustica could prevent the cytokine cascade, associated with catastrophic cases of influenza. I later learned much more: www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11076848#11076848Nicot reported placing it on flesh wounds, and even cancers, to help them heal. I have seen films of natives placing brownish-black, twisted bunches of rustica beneath their lower lip, as a stimulant. So obviously, you can come into close, personal contact with it, once curing has eliminated most of the active principles. They have reported allergic reactions, when combining rustica with other plants, but not what kind. In my experience, the combination potentiates each respective plant, so that you get the side effects from both. For instance, when I mixed rustica with Heimia, I got yellowed vision and audio distortions for the first time. Both were known side effects, but I had never got them, before.
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