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Post by wildseed57 on Mar 9, 2011 15:35:51 GMT -5
 While looking at a workable diet, both for myself and mainly my brother who is recovering from double pneumonia and full blown Diabetes in which he now has to take 3 to 5 shots a day to control it . I found out from him that he is allergic to all soy products, which I'm not , so I have decided that rather than just forget about using Soy products as a major part of his and my diet, I would look at different varieties of high protein legumes and try to find a few that are more friendly than Soy Beans. I know that some Peas have a very high protein level and are being used as a soy replacement, also I have heard that there are some dry shell beans that have a high if not higher level of protein than soy. So I'm wondering if anyone has used any of the soy replacement peas and beans and if they are as useful as soy beans are? George W.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Mar 10, 2011 0:51:29 GMT -5
I myself don't consume much soy. If i do encounter it, it's in the form of soy milk. I'm not really sure milk made from peas or beans would be that tasty, but who knows. Maybe someone has tried it.
I was under the impression ALL beans are high in protein. I myself consume large amounts of beans as a staple food. A nice bowl of beans with some salt, hot pepper flakes, and garlic powder is considered to be a meal by my stomach. In my experience, they provide enough protein that i really don't eat much meat, and even on rare occasions when i do, based on how i feel, i think the protein provided by beans is a higher quality than from meat. The energy provided by beans gives me more stamina than meat energy. Plus i actually get really stinky gas from lots of meat. Almost never any gas from beans.
I'm pretty ignorant in what can actually be made from soy. I only can think of soy milk and tofu. I had a bean brownie once that was supposed to replace chocolate. It actually wasn't too bad, but i did figure out what it was made from fairly quickly. My tongue never lies, and is an excellent detective.
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Post by robertb on Mar 10, 2011 13:03:52 GMT -5
Carlin Pea's supposed to have a 25% protein content. That's the only variety I've seen quoted, but I imagine any of the old field peas would be high in protein.
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Post by spacecase0 on Mar 10, 2011 17:14:37 GMT -5
I am allergic to soy,
I used lentils for a long time after that, but they also hurt me,
now I use navy beans, and they are just fine
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Post by wildseed57 on Mar 10, 2011 18:25:59 GMT -5
The problem with Peas, Beans and lentils are that the protein is incomplete and other foods such as wheat or corn have to be eaten along with then so that the protein is complete compared to Soy beans which have complete proteins and can be eaten alone as a whole meal. I managed to obtain
a couple of shelling type peas that have a high amount of protein and high mineral content, but the protein is still a incomplete, I think the whole trick will be in combining various legumes with rices wheat or corn in a way that it does complete the protein chain. when I was a young man I spent a lot of time in Asia and got to experience various ways to fix meals that where high in protein with out using meat, poultry and fish all the time. Indian food often combine legumes in various ways to make a meal with I'm not real big on Curry but they can make meals that have a whole protein and not have any meats. I just need to get past the idea that I have to use soy and use a combination of legumes and either rice or corn along with them including sea vegetables when i can find them. So all of this is more of a change in a eating habit and using foods that are high in whole protein and low in carbs and fats. I will just have to watch that when I buy various products that they don't have soy in them.
George W.
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Post by atash on Mar 10, 2011 19:57:36 GMT -5
Hello. Yes, complementary proteins are a good way to go. Bear in mind that the protein levels of most Legumes are not as high as that of soy. That's not really a problem, just something to consider in terms of planning. There are a few legumes that are about as high, or nearly so, but I won't bother mentioning them as one is weedy, one is deep-tropical, and one is dangerous to people who are allergic to it (same allergen as peanuts). Apios americana has tubers with reputedly 5 times the protein of a potato. Not as rich as seeds but that is still plenty. You already know that cereals complement Legumes. The higher-protein cereals are oats, wheat, xTriticale, rye, spelt, emmer...if you want to get really exotic Thinopyrum and maybe some of the other exotic grains, some of which have higher protein levels than even wheat and oats. Corn and sorghum are intermediate. Low-protein cereals include millet, rice, and barley. Rice is low in protein but it's also one of the better-balanced of the cereals in terms of amino acid balance. What about other plant proteins? Many (most?) plant proteins are fairly well-balanced--they're just not very rich. Many leaf proteins for instance are balanced. You just have to eat a lot of broccoli. LOL. Seriously though some tropical greens surprisingly high in protein, such as Chaya and Moringa. Sweet potato greens are probably fairly rich in protein. Cassava leaves extremely rich in protein (maybe to make up for the "root" which is almost pure starch!) but it is very deficient in one of the limiting amino acids, I forget which. Don't eat them raw (deadly)  A few non-cereal grains are amino-acid balanced, including Amaranth, Quinoa, and surprisingly, buckwheat. You'd think more people would eat buckwheat. Quite high in protein too. Yields are low which is one reason it's not more grown, but hardly surprising as you don't get something for nothing and that protein has to come from somewhere (soil nitrogen...). Quinoa is fairly acceptable to most palates, and at around 11% protein, typically (varies), if you ate it as a staple you're getting plenty of protein. I've never tried it but it can be ground into flour or made into quinoa "milk" to make it more flexible in use. |
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Post by wildseed57 on Mar 10, 2011 21:09:51 GMT -5
I can find most grains and even quinoa and amaranth, and I uses buckwheat and Oats to cut back my wheat usage, I make a bread that is very good and uses half the amount of wheat.
The hard part is finding various foods that are not commonly carried in small midwestern towns like where I live, although Walmart is getting better at what it carries although tropical goods or even such things as tubers other than sweet potatoes are not part of their fair. Right now commodity prices are climbing like mad and I about died when I filled the gas tank, so I know that what ever has to be trucked in from either coast will be taking a big price jump.
So what it boils down to is, if it can't be grown locally most likely it won't get bought. I'm glad that I can grow just about anything I need. After looking at the cost of a few plums I'm glad I have a few fruit trees growing and I'm able to get grafting material, so I can improve the quality of fruit that I do have. One problem that we face here is price hikes and if your disabled and live on a small check your prone to buy foods that are high in starch and fats along with being packed with sugar because they're cheaper. Sugar is just about as bad as soy as it is in just about everything and if you can't have either one because your allergic or are diabetic you have read every thing to make sure that when you eat it you don't go into shock. I'm lucky that I don't have the problems my brother has or my sister for that matter that has Liver problems and has to watch what she eats. I just have to watch that I don't eat to much starch along with to much fat, I had to have two veins in my head fixed and have had to have a Artery unplugged, but I'm in better shape than my brother and I want to make sure he's around for awhile longer.
George W.
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Post by nuts on Mar 13, 2011 15:56:05 GMT -5
Buckwheat is not so bad in yield if you take in account the fast development.
Last year I was succesfull planting first half of july after favabeans and harvesting end september or so,with a very correct yield.
Only drawback,it needs some water in the summer.
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Post by wildseed57 on Mar 13, 2011 20:56:09 GMT -5
I grow some Buckwheat mainly for a cover crop, but I buy it to used as groats or buy it made into a type of flower the same for Barley, I use it in soups and again as part of what I use as flour. In fact If it can be used as something I can use in a meal I will buy it. I'm real lucky that we have a good heath food store near by and it is well stocked in grains, legumes and dried fruits
along locally obtained honey. What I would love to get is some Yacon to grow and maybe some sunchokes even though they do give me some stomach gas.
George W.
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While looking at a workable diet, both for myself and mainly my brother who is recovering from double pneumonia and full blown Diabetes in which he now has to take 3 to 5 shots a day to control it . I found out from him that he is allergic to all soy products, which I'm not , so I have decided that rather than just forget about using Soy products as a major part of his and my diet, I would look at different varieties of high protein legumes and try to find a few that are more friendly than Soy Beans. I know that some Peas have a very high protein level and are being used as a soy replacement, also I have heard that there are some dry shell beans that have a high if not higher level of protein than soy. So I'm wondering if anyone has used any of the soy replacement peas and beans and if they are as useful as soy beans are? 
