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Post by steev on Jan 6, 2017 1:46:22 GMT -5
Finished cleaning and counting the TGS tonight. Chesnok Red produce over 1500 seeds. Great year!!! Please tell me you didn't actually count anywhere near that many seeds! That would be far too compulsive, even by my OC standards. |
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Post by richardw on Jan 6, 2017 3:54:57 GMT -5
Good work Zack, very impressive. Like Megan ive given up on getting TGS this summer also yet its been a mild and dry garlic growing season for me, the rust has just been to hard on my TGS block but i have other hardneck types in other parts of the garden that have no rust, but the scapes are behind the garlic in the top photo.  So i turn my sight to trying again, so that means taking bulbil from the most appropriate scapes, and would i be right in saying that i should take bulbils from umbels that produce the least and smallest of bulbils,  Choosing umbels with large bulbils would be going backwards ?  |
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Post by philagardener on Jan 6, 2017 6:45:50 GMT -5
Impressed by the large green clump in the first photo and then realized it is a Glad! Looks like a difficult season for the garlic (and a lot else, judging from the weather posts)  |
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Post by reed on Jan 6, 2017 7:42:32 GMT -5
That will depend on wether I need the garlic in the ground for the kitchen or not. I prefer to leave them on the plant as long as possible because I noticed this year that the chaff was a lot harder to detach from the seeds. I'm carful when cleaning them because the seeds have a habit of crumbling. Then again the seeds that crumble might not germinate at all so I might be doing myself a favor by being rough on them. Not to be discouraging but the chaff being difficult to remove and especially the easy crumbling do not sound good to me. Have you noticed any difference in those things between ones left on the plant versus ones put in water? |
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Post by kazedwards on Jan 6, 2017 9:52:10 GMT -5
Finished cleaning and counting the TGS tonight. Chesnok Red produce over 1500 seeds. Great year!!! Please tell me you didn't actually count anywhere near that many seeds! That would be far too compulsive, even by my OC standards. I counted 100 out a few times then realized how many I had. Then separated them out into guesstimated piles of 100. |
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Post by kazedwards on Jan 6, 2017 9:58:03 GMT -5
Good work Zack, very impressive. Like Megan ive given up on getting TGS this summer also yet its been a mild and dry garlic growing season for me, the rust has just been to hard on my TGS block but i have other hardneck types in other parts of the garden that have no rust, but the scapes are behind the garlic in the top photo. So i turn my sight to trying again, so that means taking bulbil from the most appropriate scapes, and would i be right in saying that i should take bulbils from umbels that produce the least and smallest of bulbils, Choosing umbels with large bulbils would be going backwards ? Wow, can't find a gob smacked emoji. Am super impressed and envious. Been a miserably mild and wet season down this way and scapes haven't unfurled let alone any sign of the umbels filling out. Looks like my tgs is back on shelf for next year😪 Sorry to here of your bad season down there. At least you guys have a good group going from the looks of it on Facebook. Richard the umbel in the first picture looks promising to me. As far as bulbil type and number I would think small bulbils would equal more flowers. More bulbils might mean a stronger plant too. I don't have much experience on growing any other garlic besides Chesnok Red though. |
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Post by kazedwards on Jan 6, 2017 10:08:19 GMT -5
That will depend on wether I need the garlic in the ground for the kitchen or not. I prefer to leave them on the plant as long as possible because I noticed this year that the chaff was a lot harder to detach from the seeds. I'm carful when cleaning them because the seeds have a habit of crumbling. Then again the seeds that crumble might not germinate at all so I might be doing myself a favor by being rough on them. Not to be discouraging but the chaff being difficult to remove and especially the easy crumbling do not sound good to me. Have you noticed any difference in those things between ones left on the plant versus ones put in water? The crumbling seeds doesn't seem good to me either but I'm always hopeful. My guess is they are just immature seeds but I worry that I'm damaging good seeds. I haven't noticed a difference in the crumbling between the ones in water and the ones left on the plant. It's not as much the chaff being removed than it is the small round pod that the seeds are in opening. I had to pinch them between my to get them to pop. I think them drying down outside on the plant would help weather them down and make them more brittle. |
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Post by richardw on Jan 7, 2017 13:56:04 GMT -5
Richard the umbel in the first picture looks promising to me. As far as bulbil type and number I would think small bulbils would equal more flowers. More bulbils might mean a stronger plant too. I don't have much experience on growing any other garlic besides Chesnok Red though. Zack - that promising flower like many others in these two beds have lost all there leaves to rust, so not sure they will get enough energy to complete flowering, though there are a few plants with green leaves still but are less advanced, so there's still hope for this TGS bed yet. But in my main garden there's a few hardnecks that have had no rust at all, again these are behind a bit, but there's plenty of time yet.
This is the last plant from a bed of garlic that was 22 months from harvest when i planted them just on a year ago, the rest of the bed didnt grow a scape so i pulled them.
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Post by richardw on Jan 25, 2017 12:29:07 GMT -5
My attempt to grow TGS had a major set back with rust effecting my TGS beds, i do have a few scapes in a bucket and will try my hardest to get at least something from them. As i was lifting out the crop one bulb had two cloves with new roots and one with a green shoot, i sowed them into a pot and a week later i have a 10cm tall plant. Talk about leaping out of the ground, amazing as its the middle of summer. Anyone else had garlic regrow again in mid summer?  |
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Post by richardw on Jan 28, 2017 0:00:13 GMT -5
Talking with meganp on the phone this morning where she said there was someone on the forum who had a umbel that produced small bulbils on the end of flower stems like the one in the photo i took, did who ever that was end up growing them?.  |
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Post by reed on Jan 28, 2017 3:26:52 GMT -5
I'v had them do that, I posted a picture somewhere here on the forum but can't find it right off. I saved them out and sent them to someone else last year but I'v never grown them myself.
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Post by richardw on Jan 28, 2017 3:40:36 GMT -5
Oh ok,did you get many reed. Ive only get three bulbils on the one stem |
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Post by reed on Jan 28, 2017 3:49:41 GMT -5
richardw, there were only maybe 1/2 a dozen and from different plants. There were actually more but they got mixed in with the others or lost. I think they are not really all that uncommon. Like other things I never paid much attention to until I found this forum. I'll keep a closer eye out this year.
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Post by richardw on Jan 28, 2017 12:46:26 GMT -5
They are very much like my Amuri red onion. They will be interesting to see how they grow
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Post by garand555 on Mar 9, 2017 13:27:53 GMT -5
In January, I took my TGS, and did a 20 min soak in a 1% bleach solution, took a tray, put seed starting mix in it, planted 200+ seeds, and set it outside where the critters wouldn't get to it and cold stratified it in this way. This morning, I checked, and the first three TGS plants are starting to come up! None were up yesterday, so I expect more to come! I'll be really happy if I get 25.
Since this is the first time I've made it this far with TGS, is there any advice that anybody has? Anything to look out for other than the normal gardening stuff?
Also, I've read that TGS plants are much more likely to produce seed than non-TGS plants after time. Is this true for first generation TGS plants, or does it have to go a few generations before readily seeding and germinating?
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