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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jan 5, 2018 2:23:09 GMT -5
My general philosophy towards plant breeding is that I want to select for varieties that thrive under normal ordinary growing conditions. So rather than treating garlic seeds to refrigeration, I simply plant them. A small percentage of them germinate immediately at room temperature. Those are the ones I want as the ancestors of future generations. I'm hoping that the trait of quick room temperature germination might be heritable, and I can move the whole population towards germinating under those conditions. If I gave garlic seeds a cold/freeze treatment, I wonder if I would be selecting for strains that require that sort of regime.
I have done the same thing with watermelon, sweet potatoes, and tepary beans. Planted seeds, and then culled anything that didn't germinate quickly.
With garlic, there may be a trade-off. I figure that the first priority is to find varieties that produce seed reliably, by whatever means necessary, and that later on, we may want to switch selection priority to improved agronomic properties like quick germination at warm temperatures.
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Post by steev on Jan 5, 2018 2:54:33 GMT -5
The only problem I see with quick-sprouting seeds is that I tend to be hungry early in the season; guess I need to focus on food storage more.
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Post by richardw on Jan 5, 2018 3:24:30 GMT -5
My priority is to just get some bloody garlic seed for a start, then hopefully in time work towards desirable selection traits. Just need to get past step one.
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Post by tedmeredith on Jan 7, 2018 17:14:20 GMT -5
Hello Derek— Although what you described will help break dormancy, a four week period of cold above freezing in the refrigerator will be more effective. This was the recommendation of Dr. Maria Jenderek, who at one time in the private sector produced literally millions of seeds. As with most things, a variety of methodologies can be effective. Information on one approach, substantially based on Dr. Jenderek’s methods, can be found in an article and addenda that Avram Drucker and I prepared at garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/growing-garlic-from-true-seed.htmlBest of luck in your efforts. Ted |
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Post by richardw on Jan 7, 2018 20:13:55 GMT -5
While removing bulbils i noticed a flower stem with mutable flower heads, or they may turn out to be small bulbils which will be the second time ive had this happen, anyone noticed a flower stem like this. First signs of a bulbil on the end of the flower stem, tedmeredith is this common, only the second time ive had this, click here for close up vgy.me/UavT4c vgy.me/UdH3nT
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Post by tedmeredith on Jan 8, 2018 15:44:23 GMT -5
Hi richardw-- I remember the first time I saw this on one of my plants I excitedly sent a photo to Dr. Philipp Simon. I wouldn’t say that it is common, but it is not particularly unusual either---all part of the fascinating behavior of the plant. Ted garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/growing-garlic-from-true-seed.html |
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Post by richardw on Jan 8, 2018 18:03:26 GMT -5
Hi richardw-- I remember the first time I saw this on one of my plants I excitedly sent a photo to Dr. Philipp Simon. I wouldn’t say that it is common, but it is not particularly unusual either---all part of the fascinating behavior of the plant. Ted garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/growing-garlic-from-true-seed.html |
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Post by reed on Jan 8, 2018 18:45:51 GMT -5
I'm not 100% sure I follow but looks like your talking about little stems that grow out longer and bloom or make bulbils above the rest? If so my garlic does that quite often. I think I posted a picture in one of the garlic threads but don't remember where right off. This past season I sent the tiny bulbils to toomanyirons. |
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Post by richardw on Jan 8, 2018 22:44:49 GMT -5
Yes thats right, i had the same happen this time last year and its the one that grew a scape 8 months later, its my most advanced flower head at the moment.
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Post by richardw on Jan 15, 2018 12:19:57 GMT -5
This bed was planted with bulbils 10 months ago, most of those grew into small bulbs with short small scapes. So just out of interest i removed the bulbils on five and tied them together to a bamboo stake, these still have some green leaf so its worth a try, the rest i want for there bulbs and cloves which i will plant out in autumn. This is quick replacement turn over of the generations maybe helpful in speeding up the acclimatizing this garlic to my area  |
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Post by derekp on Jan 19, 2018 15:00:05 GMT -5
Hello Derek— Although what you described will help break dormancy, a four week period of cold above freezing in the refrigerator will be more effective. This was the recommendation of Dr. Maria Jenderek, who at one time in the private sector produced literally millions of seeds. As with most things, a variety of methodologies can be effective. Information on one approach, substantially based on Dr. Jenderek’s methods, can be found in an article and addenda that Avram Drucker and I prepared at garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/growing-garlic-from-true-seed.htmlBest of luck in your efforts. Ted Hi Ted, Thanks for the guidance and encouraging words. Funny, i read the article by you and Avram, ehich is ehat led me to this forum. I jumped the gun a little by not re-reading it before sowing. I'm going to remove the seeds from the freezer soon. I'm contemplating giving them a few weeks in the refrigerator before planting into soil under lights. I'm not sure if the refrigerator time is necessary or helpful thigh now that the seeds have been in the freezer. Would you recommend this step? A big thank you to everyone for their insights! |
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Post by tedmeredith on Jan 21, 2018 1:42:32 GMT -5
Hi Derek— Yes, additional time in the refrigerator will help. The freezer time will for the most part have held the seeds in suspension. A subsequent period of cold will help break dormancy. In some respects, not too unlike conditions in Central Asia where winter freezing is followed by above freezing cold conditions as winter turns to spring. Ted garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/growing-garlic-from-true-seed.html |
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Post by richardw on Jan 21, 2018 13:25:56 GMT -5
As a experiment i planted some cloves in the orchard area that has not seen a mower in 17 years. They did ok, not very tall but healthy enough. There are 6 cloves that managed to grow and have produced scapes. They are all from the same stock but what was so different to the garden grown garlic is i could just about blown these bulbils off (well not really, but..), these bulbils are so loosely packed in. I find this rather interesting, wonder why?    |
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Post by shmack1 on Jan 21, 2018 15:28:32 GMT -5
i.imgur.com/Qcgm2cC.jpgi.imgur.com/FLl40sV.jpgNot sure if this pic will work.. I have grown out some seed I got from Ivan buddenhagen Finally they have produced produced bulbs which some I'm very pleased with, also I have seed set on a few ..
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Post by shmack1 on Jan 21, 2018 15:30:42 GMT -5
Nup.. Not working..
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