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Post by oldmobie on Jan 21, 2018 15:45:27 GMT -5
  Not sure if this pic will work.. I have grown out some seed I got from Ivan buddenhagen Finally they have produced produced bulbs which some I'm very pleased with, also I have seed set on a few .. You got your links right, but you didn't wrap them in image tags. Above is what happens if you do. When composing your post, there's an add image tool. Just put your link into it, and it will add the tags you need. |
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Post by shmack1 on Jan 21, 2018 16:03:56 GMT -5
Thanks Oldmobie!!
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Post by richardw on Feb 4, 2018 15:37:16 GMT -5
I planted a few cloves in my orchard last winter just to see what would happened, they've ended up much shorter than the garden garlic and a few weeks behind in flowering, but the warmer than normal summer i think is shutting down the garden garlic which is in full flower. But the orchard garlic having being planted in a herbal mix ground cover as helped the bulb and scape keep much cooler, these scapes are a lot greener, noticed the flies seem to take fancy the flowers, so fingers crossed  The bulbils grew different to the garden garlic, bulbils roundish, less of them and so loose they could have been blown out by the wind, not quite, but easily fall out in the hand.   |
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Post by derekp on Feb 4, 2018 23:02:29 GMT -5
This is what my 'straw' gave me this year. I've been pulling it by hand and having pretty good success. It is barley and had no die back this winter. In other colder winters it has died back a bit. Each stake represents a different variety. All the varieties which are new to me this year have been coming up slower then what I replanted with my own saved cloves from last year. But even in this shady location I'm impressed with most varieties green growth so far. m.facebook.com/groups/972105876139172?view=permalink&id=2021409227875493 |
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Post by derekp on Feb 4, 2018 23:10:01 GMT -5
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Post by tedmeredith on Feb 6, 2018 1:54:01 GMT -5
True garlic seed is available for sale from Garlicana. My partner in our garlic seed project, Avram Drucker, for the first time is offering true garlic seed for sale this year. He only ships bulbs inside the US, but can likely send seed to other countries as well as the US. A link to his offering is at www.garlicana.com/garlic-varieties/true-garlic-seeds/Germination can be a bit tricky. Our article at the link below provides one approach that has proven successful. This addendum offers a bit more information garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/addenda-to-article-growing-garlic-from.html Note--do not apply bottom heat when germinating. Producing true seed is one way “into the game.” Growing out existing true seed is another way in, and it can be exciting to generate and explore new and potentially worthy virus free cultivars. Best of luck in everyone’s efforts. Ted garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/growing-garlic-from-true-seed.html |
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Post by nathanp on Feb 11, 2018 22:49:48 GMT -5
Thanks - I am putting my check in the mail tomorrow for my order. Incidentally, does anyone know if there is a chart that details the relationships of which garlic types are descended from others, or more closely related to the others? Just wondering if there is anything like this one that BillW made for potatoes. link |
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Post by richardw on Feb 21, 2018 2:19:45 GMT -5
After 4 years of trying i think i have seed  |
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Post by derekp on Feb 24, 2018 14:25:48 GMT -5
Hey there folks, looking for any opinions/suggestions/advice. Thanks in advance!
I currently have approx 7000 bulbs planted. A little more than half of the total bulbs include just 7 varieties that are being grown from my own saved bulbs from last year. The other, slightly smaller half of the planting spans approx 160 varieties that I am growing out for the first time (all sourced through Canadian farms in 2017).
Up until recently I had been planning on replanting about the same amount of cloves this fall (7000) at my current location. I'm now going to be moving into a much larger space on a different farm with the room to expand my production on a half acre (I calculate a half acre can be planted with approx 43000 bulbs!). This space is part of a certified organic ten acre mixed veggie farm. I will be planting into a new half acre each year, as I fit into the landowners crop rotation (rotation allows for four years between allium plantings) I can access the land for bed prep by September but will need to be out of the space by the following August to allow for fall cover crop to be planted.
Before securing this new land I had been planning on letting approx half of the bulbs of each of the new varieties to go to flower in an attempt to produce true garlic seed. This would have been mostly experimental so as to find out which varieties produce flowers best on their own, without much expectation of true seed production.
I'm now planning on forgoing any flower production this year and focusing on healthy sized bulbs. This would allow me to expand into the larger area this fall with more quantity of healthier cloves to replant with.
Following this falls planting i would like to start letting varieties go to flower for seed production trials.
Question is, do you think I'll be able to harvest the flowers/seeds before my friend needs to plant his fall cover crop? I'm assuming no, but ive never let my garlic go all the way to know it's timing for flowering (and plus I have 160 varieties which are new to me that I've also got no real idea of timing for).
I'm starting to think that finding another space entirely for true seed production would be more feasible.
Any ideas/opinions/suggestions/questions? How would you plan for this transition /expansion?
Thanks for reading!
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Feb 24, 2018 19:40:35 GMT -5
I can access the land for bed prep by September but will need to be out of the space by the following August to allow for fall cover crop to be planted. [...] do you think I'll be able to harvest the flowers/seeds before my friend needs to plant his fall cover crop? Depends. End of August definitely could get a harvest. First of August maybe not. In any case, by then the scapes should be mature enough that you could finish growing them in a bucket of water. |
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Post by moloch on Feb 26, 2018 13:39:39 GMT -5
Incidentally, does anyone know if there is a chart that details the relationships of which garlic types are descended from others, or more closely related to the others? Just wondering if there is anything like this one that BillW made for potatoes. linkI found this: hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/32/6/1102.full.pdfI don't fully understand the scientific jargon, but it appears to be an attempt to classify 27 garlic species by genetic variations over time. There is a chart at the bottom which appears to be showing the garlic lineages. |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Feb 26, 2018 14:00:05 GMT -5
There are three different graphical representations of garlic pedigrees at: AMER SOC HORT SCI 129(4):559–569. 2004. Genetic Diversity among U.S. Garlic Clones as Detected Using AFLP Methods Gayle M. Volk, Adam D. Henk, and Christopher M. Richards National Center for Genetic Resources Preservation, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Fort Collins, CO 80521 journal.ashspublications.org/content/129/4/559.full.pdf+html |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Feb 26, 2018 14:19:03 GMT -5
My partner in our garlic seed project, Avram Drucker, for the first time is offering true garlic seed for sale this year. I recently had the honor of meeting Avram at the Organic Seed Grower's Conference in Corvallis Oregon. He had a vial in his pocket containing lots of true garlic seed. A joy to behold! |
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Post by darrenabbey on Feb 27, 2018 1:57:32 GMT -5
True garlic seed is available for sale from Garlicana. My partner in our garlic seed project, Avram Drucker, for the first time is offering true garlic seed for sale this year. He only ships bulbs inside the US, but can likely send seed to other countries as well as the US. A link to his offering is at www.garlicana.com/garlic-varieties/true-garlic-seeds/I ordered seeds from Garlicana and they arrived a couple days ago. The garlic clones I've been growing (no name, from local farmer) were proving non-compliant with regards to making true seeds, no matter how careful I was to remove bulbils. I'm looking forward to seeing how any successful germinations grow to be. |
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Post by richardw on Feb 27, 2018 2:48:15 GMT -5
How far away are these pods from ready, some are starting to turn yellow, too early to cut?  |
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