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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Feb 27, 2018 13:32:54 GMT -5
I figure that when I see the seeds turning black under the skin, that they are way mature. And can be picked and dried.
If I pick them earlier than that, I tend to stick them into a vase for a while before drying.
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Post by richardw on Feb 28, 2018 3:14:36 GMT -5
Its just that the stems have dried out completely, there was nothing left to draw from so i cut them and have them in a paper bag. I see how they look in a week or so.
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Post by moloch on Mar 3, 2018 13:13:43 GMT -5
Has anyone compiled a list of which varieties are able to produce true seed?
I am trying to plan my TGS garden for next year, and I'm not sure which varieties I should attempt.
I have only been able to find this thread, the occasional blog post, and a few varieties listed on Garlicana as seed producing. I read earlier in this thread that Joseph grew some of the "seed producing" varieties from Garlicana in 2013 (chimyan, punuk, sural), but they did not produce seed for him.
I am hoping a list might help determine why some varieties produce seed in one region but not in another (temperature, altitude, length of winter, timing of bulbil removal, etc)
If nobody has started a list already, I could start one with whatever anecdotes I find on the interwebs and add a form for people to submit their TGS growth reports
What information would be most helpful besides variety, location, and maybe comments about abnormal growing conditions (abnormal snow/rainfall/temperature/disease/etc)?
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 3, 2018 15:45:24 GMT -5
Has anyone compiled a list of which varieties are able to produce true seed? Chesnok Red seems to be widely adapted to producing seeds. PI 540319 produces seeds reliably for me, however germination is very low. I highly recommend any of the 2nd and 3rd generation plants or seeds from Garlicana. |
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Post by imgrimmer on Mar 4, 2018 2:07:36 GMT -5
Garlicana seem to have good seed producer. Only judging by the seed numbers they sell.
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Post by moloch on Mar 4, 2018 12:05:45 GMT -5
Has anyone compiled a list of which varieties are able to produce true seed? Chesnok Red seems to be widely adapted to producing seeds. PI 540319 produces seeds reliably for me, however germination is very low. I highly recommend any of the 2nd and 3rd generation plants or seeds from Garlicana. Chesnok Red is a name I see popping up all over. I grew this variety in my garden last year. I left some a few of the scapes on the garlic to grow bulbils, which is when I noticed they had small purple flowers among the bulbils, and started looking into true seed production. I planted some of the seed producing varieties from Garlicana last fall (Punuk, Chimyan, Sural, Arsia), along with Chesnok Red and 6 other hardnecks which I don't know if they can even produce seed. Garlicana seems to have mastered seed production (I have seeds from them vernalizing in the fridge) I live in NC, so the winter is short and warmer than Oregon/Utah. I'm curious how much this might effect true seed production. I read somewhere the flowers might need shade if it gets too hot? Joseph, Do you have any guesses to why the varieties you planted didn't seed for you in 2013? |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 4, 2018 14:13:36 GMT -5
Joseph, Do you have any guesses to why the varieties you planted [...] didn't seed for you in 2013? Genetics: They are ill suited to producing seeds. At the time, they were the best candidates we had to work with. Today, due to the efforts of wonderful plant explorers and breeders, we have readily available varieties that are much more suitable to producing true seeds. A big thank you to everyone that has been working on this project! |
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Post by moloch on Mar 5, 2018 13:42:19 GMT -5
Yes, big thanks to everyone who has been working on this.
I avoided ordering the 2nd/3rd gen last fall because I thought more people would be growing these same varieties and the seeds might be more genetically similar to everyone else's seeds. My plan was to add more diversity by planting a few varieties that have produced seed for other people, and a few unknown varieties that might be able to contribute genetics (if they even produce flowers).
Next year I would like to plant different varieties, and perhaps mix the two generations of seedlings together if all goes well.
Keep in mind I'm not a botanist or farmer... I'm a computer programmer with a garden... so any advice is much appreciated. This thread has been quite helpful
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Post by nathanp on Mar 6, 2018 6:57:00 GMT -5
Tom, is this a bed of planted bulbs, or planted TGS, that you are using for TGS production? If bulbs, do you worry about introducing disease from new varieties you introduce?
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Post by oldmobie on Mar 9, 2018 2:32:28 GMT -5
 I think I got one? Very uneven and sharp edged. I guess that can happen to a plant selected in a way indifferent or hostile towards sexual reproduction for a couple thousand years. Does it look legit to you guys, or just chaff? I think the little piece may be part of a broken one, or just some chaff. |
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Post by oldmobie on Mar 9, 2018 2:34:45 GMT -5
Does it look legit to you guys, or just chaff? That is, if the resolution is sufficient to tell. |
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Post by richardw on Mar 9, 2018 2:37:49 GMT -5
Well done, i dont mean to skite but i reckon ive ended up with twice of much as you have - wippe  |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 9, 2018 10:19:42 GMT -5
oldmobie and richardw: Welcome to the elite ranks of plant breeders who have managed to produce true garlic seeds! Next goal, should you choose to attempt it, is germination.
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Post by oldmobie on Mar 9, 2018 11:32:06 GMT -5
oldmobie and richardw : Welcome to the elite ranks of plant breeders who have managed to produce true garlic seeds! Next goal, should you choose to attempt it, is germination. Thank you! [Insert boring, pompous speech here.] ..."shoulders of giants". Mine is from Chesnok Red, from bulbils kazedwards sent me, for the record. |
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Post by richardw on Mar 9, 2018 13:27:52 GMT -5
oldmobie and richardw : Welcome to the elite ranks of plant breeders who have managed to produce true garlic seeds! Next goal, should you choose to attempt it, is germination. Dont want to get my hopes up just yet though Joesph, there will be a pat on the back once i see those little black seed. We must include meganp as well |
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