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Post by castanea on Jul 18, 2011 22:03:51 GMT -5
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Post by mnjrutherford on Jul 19, 2011 15:34:31 GMT -5
I know I'm a stick in the mud on this topic... but am I really crazy for not being excited about weed? I know it's SUPPOSED to be great for all kinds of stuff... but to be absolutely honest, all my personal experiences with it have been miserable. I don't even know someone who has derived any benefit from the stuff. Mind you, we are talking a demographic of maybe a dozen people. Still, I just don't get all the excitement.
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Post by castanea on Jul 19, 2011 20:01:49 GMT -5
I know I'm a stick in the mud on this topic... but am I really crazy for not being excited about weed? I know it's SUPPOSED to be great for all kinds of stuff... but to be absolutely honest, all my personal experiences with it have been miserable. I don't even know someone who has derived any benefit from the stuff. Mind you, we are talking a demographic of maybe a dozen people. Still, I just don't get all the excitement. Basically I think you don't have very much real information about cannabis. The remedy is to read this book: www.jackherer.com/thebook/It's free online. The bottom line is that cannabis is one of a handful of truly amazing plants. It may have more uses than any other plant on earth. And it grows like a weed. |
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Post by steev on Jul 19, 2011 20:30:48 GMT -5
Recent research with rats indicates that fat stimulates production of cannabis-resembling compounds in the stomach; that is, fat gives you the "munchies" much the same way cannabis does. Something in our biology responds to fat, per se, triggering the urge to keep eating, or, in the case of cannabis, to start eating. Stoners, ice cream, oh yeah!
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Post by mnjrutherford on Jul 20, 2011 4:19:34 GMT -5
I don't exactly need much help stimulating myself to eat. I need to UNstimulate myself! ;o)
Hemp, yes! Making hemp illegal to grow is among the finer stupidities of our nation.
Marijuana though... is another thing. Being a stoner destroyed a big huge part of my life. I've also watched, helplessly, while it destroyed the lives of other people I love and in a couple of cases, continues to do so. SMALL demographic here so in the scheme of things, irrelevant.
But this 300 acre bust, what was it going to be used for? Food? Medicine? Fibers? Fuel? Research? Industrial lubricants? ANY of the things that Jack Herer is touting? Obviously, I have not read the book, but I need to. It will go onto my must read list. Thanks for posting the link!
MODIFICATION:
I should add, it was MY fault I smoked so much dope and MY stupidity to turn into a blob. Not the marijuana. Still, the day I made up my mind to stop using was among the greatest days of my life.
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Post by synergy on Jul 20, 2011 10:44:00 GMT -5
I have zero experience with recreational drugs beyond the odd shot of Baileys , ( that is not good for the waistline either and I struggle with that, I am terribly enamored with good tasting food too but need to educate myself to balance healthy good tasting food and physical exercise : ) Still I am very interested in the potential as a medicinal plant, especially as I have my share of old injuries and arthritus setting in and I still have not managed to be accidently stung tending my beehive which I was told would help.
I have heard if you can grow tomatoes you can grow marijuanna but frankly I am a complete failure at growing tomatoes to date. Perhaps because i have no experience let alone bad experience and no interest in it from a recreational aspect i have a very open mind to it as a useful medicinal . Yes, I am that big a dweeb, only now I am middle aged.
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Post by castanea on Jul 20, 2011 20:07:38 GMT -5
I don't exactly need much help stimulating myself to eat. I need to UNstimulate myself! ;o) Hemp, yes! Making hemp illegal to grow is among the finer stupidities of our nation. Marijuana though... is another thing. Being a stoner destroyed a big huge part of my life. I've also watched, helplessly, while it destroyed the lives of other people I love and in a couple of cases, continues to do so. SMALL demographic here so in the scheme of things, irrelevant. But this 300 acre bust, what was it going to be used for? Food? Medicine? Fibers? Fuel? Research? Industrial lubricants? ANY of the things that Jack Herer is touting? Obviously, I have not read the book, but I need to. It will go onto my must read list. Thanks for posting the link! MODIFICATION: I should add, it was MY fault I smoked so much dope and MY stupidity to turn into a blob. Not the marijuana. Still, the day I made up my mind to stop using was among the greatest days of my life. I'm sure teh Mexican plants were being grown largely for recreational use, but that's their business. It shouldn't be teh government's business. Recreation is a valid and worthy goal at times. I would rather live in a neighborhood of legal stoners than legal drinkers. I understand that many people who smoke pot have had problems in their lives but I have never seen marijuana be the cause of those problems. Marijuana is sometimes a convenient excuse for making a lot of bad decisions. I smoked pot in college many years ago and had my highest grades during the one semester I smoked the most pot. I had friends who had the opposite result. But it wasn't the pot that decided whether we got good or bad grades. It was us. I don't smoke pot know, haven't for many years and have no interest in smoking it. But I know a few people who do smoke pot now in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. All are happy and successful. Not everyone was meant to smoke pot just like not everyone was meant to drink alcohol. But the value of cannabis goes far beyond the recreational value, which is what makes it such an amazing plant. If it were legal I would grow it because it improves most soils, it blocks out weeds, it is a pretty ornamental and I love the smell of the plant which is different than the dried material. There are many reasons that Thomas Jefforson smuggled cananbis seeds into the US from France and probably none of them had anything to do with getting high. There are also many reasons that some states required citizens to plant cannabis a couple of hundred years ago and it was not to get high. There are many reasons that the federal government instituted a "Hemp for Victory" campaign in WWII and it wasn't so people could get high either. Honestly years ago I had no diea what an amazing plant cannabis is, but the more I read, the more impressd I am. |
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Post by castanea on Jul 20, 2011 20:10:40 GMT -5
I have zero experience with recreational drugs beyond the odd shot of Baileys , ( that is not good for the waistline either and I struggle with that, I am terribly enamored with good tasting food too but need to educate myself to balance healthy good tasting food and physical exercise : ) Still I am very interested in the potential as a medicinal plant, especially as I have my share of old injuries and arthritus setting in and I still have not managed to be accidently stung tending my beehive which I was told would help. I have heard if you can grow tomatoes you can grow marijuanna but frankly I am a complete failure at growing tomatoes to date. Perhaps because i have no experience let alone bad experience and no interest in it from a recreational aspect i have a very open mind to it as a useful medicinal . Yes, I am that big a dweeb, only now I am middle aged. I don't know from personal experience, but from people I have talked to, cannabis is one of the easiest plants to grow for anyone. It is incredibly vigorous. Some of my friends do use it for medicinal purposes, largely arthritis and back problems, and they swear by it, although it takes a little research to find out what variety works best for your individual pain problems. |
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Post by steev on Jul 20, 2011 23:08:39 GMT -5
One of my highschool teachers was a British immigrant who'd been in North Africa during WWII. After coming to the U S, he became a California Highway Patrolman, then a teacher and track coach. His idea of a vacation was doing 100 miles each day on his bike touring around. He did not drink alcohol, smoke tobacco or weed, or even chew gum. From his experiences, he said he was convinced that weed was far less a social ill than alcohol, as he'd never seen anyone in North Africa, where it was commonly smoked, commit anything like the violence he'd seen with alcohol, not to mention the messes he'd scraped off the highways, as a CHP.
I believed him then, and I still do, my own experiences agreeing with his, not just as an observer, but as a thorough participant. Not the gum part, though; I have my standards!
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Post by mnjrutherford on Jul 21, 2011 5:53:29 GMT -5
Weed always made me stop. Stop thinking, talking, movement in general. My mind, on the other hand, went into high gear. Since I was raised "hands off" without much adult intervention I was left to interpret outside actions on my own. Naturally, I often got it wrong. But since a child tends to be focused on the self, it is natural to assume that the actions of others are caused by or aimed at the self. When I was high, occasionally it was pleasant, most of the time I became paranoid to the point of becoming suicidal. I imagined I was a hated and disgusting person to anyone around me. My family wasn't much good at encouraging me, they didn't try to figure out what was wrong, just wanted me to straighten up and fly right regardless of the fact that I had never observed a suitable model to follow.
Ah, but alcohol... well now... I saw some great models for that! Bottom line, for me boozers and stoners can both be stored in the same pit. Occasional use, I can totally handle folks who are. Addicts of either, I want no part of.
It's interesting how is seems that our experiences are so vastly different. I wonder why that is?
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Post by steev on Jul 21, 2011 16:22:58 GMT -5
Humans are so malleable, although we do seem to have some various inborn tendancies, possibly resulting from biochemical differences. I had no experience, knowingly, of stoners or other druggies until I was 20. On the other hand, I was around tee-totalling women and sporadically binge-drinking men from infancy. Never developed much use for, or comfort with, any of those modes as social activities. I think the messages I got were that alcohol abuse was a means of protest and rebellion, while drugs were unknown territory, for curiosity and discovery. I've no idea how I survived my youth, although I think it was mostly by falling relaxed and landing flat. "What a long, strange trip it's been!"
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