Seeking Yacon, Mashua, Oca, bright Andean Tubers

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Hi, again. It's been awhile, since I last dropped by.

Do I understand correctly, that most Andean tuber crops are harvested around November in the US?

I have the use of a greenhouse, and many sheltered areas. Common relatives of these plants withstand our freezes. But, should I expect these plants to survive the winter in large planters?

[turtleheart]

Oct 21, 2011 16:17:58 GMT -5 @degzing said:

Hi, again. It's been awhile, since I last dropped by.

Do I understand correctly, that most Andean tuber crops are harvested around November in the US?

I have the use of a greenhouse, and many sheltered areas. Common relatives of these plants withstand our freezes. But, should I expect these plants to survive the winter in large planters?

depends on where you live. if i dug my papas in november i would have frozen ground and 1/4 of them would be mush, but its still early enough to pull sunroot then.

[turtleheart]

Sept 1, 2011 7:41:10 GMT -5 raymondo said:

I wonder if the Jerusalem artichoke seed from that Kansas supplier is actually seed of Helianthus maximiliani, closely related and used by native Americans in a similar fashion. These are usually propagated from seed. Seed set on Helianthus tuberosus (Jerusalem artichoke) is so rare that I suspect such seeds would be worth a small fortune.

they are worth more than their weight in gold, but then again most seeds are now.

i get seeds of mine. its not terribly rare.

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Iroquois?

[turtleheart]

Onondowahgah Haudenosaunee. people of the great hill building the longhouse.

seneca is the name of a greek dood who never was here, never knew there was a here to be.

iroq is a neighboring peoples hate word for my ancestors, which means black snake demon. the french added their quois ending and americans mispronounced it- iroquois. (iroquois refers the haudenosaunee confederacy of nations, which is often referred to as six nations.)

when people refer to my nationality they think it is correct to say haudenosaunee or iroquois but those are not names of any nation, and i am Onondowahgah (the nd is a nasal vowel).

i assume you were asking my nationality? i could PM you some links to informational websites if you would like them.

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No offense intended. Your greeting sounded familiar, but I was unable to place it.

[turtleheart]

Oct 25, 2011 14:58:33 GMT -5 @degzing said:

No offense intended. Your greeting sounded familiar, but I was unable to place it.

im not offended, i just want to have people calling me what i am instead of a 500 year old insult they dont even know is an insult. many people still accept the word iroquois, but imagine if that paradigm was seen only with another racial minority. that would get ugly fast. non native people decide what our name is as far as popular opinion in america is concerned. its easy for the majority to smother our voices and steal our identity. where i grew up there is a terrible racist stereotype of my people as a football mascot. if black people or jewish people faced such indignity in this country nobody would allow it ever again, but because its my people who dont make up enough bodies to make the corporations scared of us, well, you get my point.

hau den o sau nee is easy to pronounce. i speak english fluently, learning 5 words of my language isnt too much to ask. and although the topic is historically offensive i assure you i am not offended. please continue to ask questions, and remain curious. that is necessary.

my greeting means quite simply, "thank you to see you." which makes more sense in my language. nya:weh or nya'weh is thank you, and nya is youre welcome. thank you for being curious.

since we are all native to somewhere, and i dont know who i am talking to, may i ask your ancestry?

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I'm believed to be Jewish on both sides. After considerable study, it appears that the maternal branch of the family was driven from Europe and adopted by Cherokee. I understand that, in exchange for providing this service, they would be listed as "white," rather than "colored" in the census, which resulted in somewhat better treatment.

I understand that they are of the same linguistic group and may have read something similar to your greeting as I was trying to decipher another alphabet.

My surname is a phonetic variation of Solomon Shereshevsky's. He was a famous memorizer, to whom I am apparently related. I seem to share several of his quirks, as well as the name.

On my father's side, royalty of the line of David (and Solomon) allegedly intermarried with the priestly tribe of Levi. They were called the monarchs of the Exile (or exilarchs). Some considered them doubly prestigious, but others considered this taboo, because the priestly and royal roles were not supposed to intermingle.

I see people with my name, who have looks comparable to my own. By in large, they seem oblivious to the family history, which, as best as I can tell, was repressed at some point. But, colleges are now seeking participants for genetic tests which can link living people to remains of the missing.

Historical accounts have become dear as there were attempts to wipe away all records, but variants of my name appear on memorial columns in Israel.

[turtleheart]

well its nice to meet you. i have grown potatoes in raised beds and they come back. as long as your container is big enough and has good contact with the earth, and mulch doesnt hurt.

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Thank you.

I've stgruggled to collect unusual varieties and don't want to waste special plant material.

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Special thanks to Tom and Rob Wagner of New World Seed and Tubers.

newworldcrops.com/wp/

Timely political discourse, friendly conversation, neat potato varieties, oca, mashua, occasional samples.

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Rob has suggested for me to use apples or bananas on his Andean root crops.

But, I would also like to see whether homemade rooting hormone will bring cheap, grocery store findings out of dormancy.

www.electsake.com/survival_how-to_025.htm

Willow is common to our local ravines.

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I've been looking through images and finding an amazing variety of brightly-colored, South American rootcrops, in Scandinavian countries, believe it or not. I hope to find contacts, related to the images, which is how I found this place.

[davida]

During a recent email to Dr. Alan Kapular, I asked if he would be willing to furnish Yacon, Mashua and Oca to the HG members. His reply:
"I have very high regard for Alan Bishop and his websites and organic gardening work. Our harvests of oca, mashua and yacon have been excellent so there is plenty for those who would like to grow some of these Andean veggies that have been human food (unlike GMOs) for thousands of years."

His contact information is at : www.peaceseeds.cn/index.htm and he is such a pleasure and an excellent source of germplasm.

David

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Can't wait for his 2012 selection.