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Post by oxbowfarm on Jan 20, 2012 8:11:34 GMT -5
Anyone know a good wholesale nursery selling bareroot plants. I've found a few online but wanted to know if anyone had any direct experience with a specific company.
I am hoping to find some bareroot hawthorns or possibly even sloe plum or american crabapple. I've always wanted a little piece of hawthorn hedge. But I'm not paying $14 a plant when you need to plant a double row of plants staggered at 18 inches. That would add up to real money after 3 feet.
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Post by coppice on Jan 20, 2012 12:07:25 GMT -5
I can't think of an easier to germinate seed than crab apple. Collect fruit in the fall out front of your post office, Wall-Mart, or other big box store.
Plant to field or broadcast to pots in fall and let them slumber over the winter. seed will germinate next spring.
Mostly they will germinate about true to type.
Replant in seedling beds with the spacing you preffer.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Jan 20, 2012 14:15:01 GMT -5
That would be cool if I could find the true american crabapple (Malus coronaria) its not much used in landscaping due to the thorns
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Post by MikeH on Jan 20, 2012 16:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by canadamike on Jan 20, 2012 20:32:01 GMT -5
I sure would start hawthorns from seeds. Crabapples too, and even pyrus ussuriensis. These siberian pears are loaded with torns.
They keep their low branches alive and make a great hedge, plus you can graft any pear on them if you wish so. Seeds of these trees are available easily. If you want to pay around 1$ or less per plant, this is the only way to go. Otherwise you could buy rootstock trees from commercial nurseries at around 1$ each, but it would have to be in large numbers, 500-1000 or so...
If you live in zone 6 or higher, why not consider mock orange? I have a friend near Ottawa that has a hedge of them, the northernest I have seen for the species, and darn....they do the job, not even a friggin moose would come close to them.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Jan 20, 2012 21:29:00 GMT -5
Hey Mike, I've never heard of Pyrus ussuriensis. It sounds interesting. Mock orange is a no-go, I'm in zone 5 and a frosty pocket of zone 5 to boot. I've found a couple sources of bareroot hawthorns for pretty cheap, probably less hassle than trying to learn how to create a nursery seedbed, but some of the seeds at F.W. Shumacher sound really cool Hippophae rhramnoides, Malus coronaria, Pinus koraiensis oh my.
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Post by canadamike on Jan 20, 2012 22:12:17 GMT -5
Hippophae rhramnoides is great, I was one of the first to grow it in Ontario well over 20 years ago, I actually made a hedge out of it, but my recommendation is ''do not do this''. Some of them will take over and you will also work your ass off to keep branches low.
Pyrus ussuriensis , like all the others, will also ask for trimming, especially in the first years, but apart from hawthorn, that would be my choice. Welle trimmed in the first years, you will be ok.
They are very very very easy to grow from seed and one year after sowing you will have great 3 footers on the go...
I would still go for hawthorn though...because it is easily manageable as a hedge, andwill for sure become a very wide one...and it keeps its branches low...
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Post by MikeH on Jan 21, 2012 2:47:16 GMT -5
Hmmm. No mock orange that I've seen would keep a moose out but Maclura pomifera would. It's described as being "horse-high, bull-strong and hog-tight". Apparently, you can grow a dense living fence with Osage Orange. It's copiceable and has very high BTU's. I found that germination was good - 10 of 12 - and that growth was fast - 12" of growth from seed in 2 months with ½" thorns. We'll see how they overwinter.  |
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Post by oxbowfarm on Jan 21, 2012 7:30:50 GMT -5
The more I look into it there are quite a few shrubby thorny species to pick from. Thank you Pleistocene megafauna!
I had thought that Osage Orange was too marginal for my climate zone but they are saying zone 5. There was a lot of it around in New Jersey in the Princeton area when I lived down there. I've never seen it in this area.
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Post by coppice on Jan 21, 2012 9:23:27 GMT -5
Ox osage orange needs a giant ground sloth or summat like him to move seed around. It grew OK for me in Lakes region of NH...
Coppicing OO short will take a ruthless hand. For my needs it did bud back well enough to be a bonsai candidate.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Jan 21, 2012 16:02:14 GMT -5
I personally have always felt totally gyped that the mastodons and ground sloths are gone.
Not that I'd actually want one walking through the farm of course.
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Post by 12540dumont on Jan 21, 2012 17:05:59 GMT -5
I too have been looking for Osage Orange. My mom is from Osage, MN. The bark makes a fabulous dye. It is second to none as firewood and the thorns are awesome. I suspect that they would keep the 2 leggeds out. Of course, I thought that when I planted the Prickly Pear. However, they just come over and harvest it. www.carmansnursery.com/ I got both maples and hawthorne starts from her as well as some cornus, junipers, pines, figs, etc. etc. Most of what I purchased was an inch tall, and are now in 25 gallon pots, while I figure out where to plant them. |
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Post by canadamike on Jan 21, 2012 20:25:48 GMT -5
oupos...I just meant osage orange, sorry that is it maclura pomifera
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Post by MikeH on Dec 7, 2012 22:17:43 GMT -5
Anyone know a good wholesale nursery selling bareroot plants. I've found a few online but wanted to know if anyone had any direct experience with a specific company. I am hoping to find some bareroot hawthorns or possibly even sloe plum or american crabapple. I've always wanted a little piece of hawthorn hedge. But I'm not paying $14 a plant when you need to plant a double row of plants staggered at 18 inches. That would add up to real money after 3 feet. $3.25 per 2 to 3 foot tree in 25 tree bundles. lincolnoakesnursery.com/nursery/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0&priceFrom=0&priceUntil=999999999&sku=&keyWord=hawthorn&customfield=0&resultCnt=16&order=1&Submit.x=56&Submit.y=11&Submit=Search+I've been searching for the Arnold Hawthorne for quite some time and identified these folks last year but couldn't get the online cart to work. Nor could I get an email response. I made contact this year but then the contact dried up until today when I got a phone call from someone working on my email order request. Turns out there is a wholesale nursery and a retail nursery but the web listing only points to the wholesale side which doesn't have an online store despite appearances of one. To make a long story short, I ordered some of the Arnold and the Downy hawthorns. I'm pretty sure that I can propagate more from by layering or root cuttings. But the real payoff was asking to speak to someone in the nursery to talk about propagating hawthorn from seed. It's notoriously difficult with study after study showing very low germination rates. I asked the nursery manager how they propagate what they sell and he said from seed. I asked him what they did and this is what he shared with me. Harvest the fruit when it is ripe. Remove the pulp and let it dry just enough that it will not mildew when you store it at 32-34F in a baggie over the winter. In early summer of the following year plant in seeding beds and make sure they do not dry out all summer long. After overwintering, they will sprout the next spring. I asked him his germination rate. He said 90-95%. Once again, it's letting Nature's rhythms dictate the dance. |
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