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Post by 12540dumont on Mar 26, 2012 12:17:39 GMT -5
Cesar...Yellow snow, where the huskies go, would melt before it got here. However, I'd love your peas!
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Post by steev on Mar 26, 2012 14:19:28 GMT -5
One doesn't send the prepared product, only the concentrate (just add snow).
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Post by cesarz on Mar 27, 2012 2:17:42 GMT -5
Cesar...Yellow snow, where the huskies go, would melt before it got here. However, I'd love your peas! Oh, thaat Yelow Snow! LOL |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 28, 2015 18:56:24 GMT -5
It will be good to hear how everyone's peas go this season, especially Opal Creek. I'll be honest, i'm somewhat disappointed with Opal Creek. Perhaps it's just my environment vs. Oregon weather, but Opal Creek is not a great producer, and to be honest it has too small a pod for my preference considering it's a snap pea. But most annoying is that I've noticed the last couple times I've grown it that it's pollen genes are not very good. I know most peas were not bred for hot weather, and i do realize that it is now summer here, but Opal Creek is especially susceptible to it's pollen drying out before being able to be accepted even in it's own closed selfing flower. The result is poor seed pollination in the pods i haven't even attempted to cross with other pollen. I am now on a quest for a better yellow snap pea. But i will say that i do like that new yellow snap with red speckles that emerged from Joseph's red-podded stock. Perhaps a model for my new yellow snap pea? Today i depollinated and crossed as many pea flowers as i could. I didn't even care to label them anymore. I figure i'll just grow them with their pod parent type and if i see any off-types i will separate them for the next season as possible F1 phenotypes. I've managed to have 3 umbellatum-type salmon flowered peas which i really like the ability the umbellatum provides to be able to deflower 4 flowers all at once in the same spot. I also have 1 mummy white umbellatum, but the flowers are not as tightly bundled at the top, and with some long double flowered stalks coming off the main branch. Still very interesting growth habit though. Does anyone know of a pea that has a thick stem at the base? I've noticed most peas start out very small and then the stem get's bigger as it goes higher. But i think a thicker stem at the base would provide more nutrients. |
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Post by philagardener on Jun 28, 2015 22:27:09 GMT -5
Interestingly, Peace Seedlings describes Opal Creek as a heat tolerant variety. I also was a bit disappointed in Opal Creek's pod size when I grew it last year, but it did seem reasonably productive for me. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 28, 2015 23:15:10 GMT -5
Well, it seems to be producing a fair amount of pods. More than Sugar Magnolia, but with this early drying pollen im not convinced each pod has more than 2 seeds each. If that turns out to be the case that's just not acceptable. And that is on top of the slight small pod size. Also Opal Creek has had a few sun charred leaves, when none of the others have. Dosent seem heat tolerant to me. And while i think its still a good variety i must also mention the flowers are tightly wrapped and hard to use as the recieving side of a cross.
Im not trying to rant about this variety, but it seems it too could benifit from improvement similar to how Golden Sweet needed improvement.
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Post by templeton on Jun 29, 2015 17:35:29 GMT -5
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 29, 2015 18:23:42 GMT -5
Thanks T, i hadnt heard that, although i have wondered that. I think i'll still try, ot at least a more pleasing snap shape. I've seen different snaps with slightly different shapes. I do wonder what would happen if snap was crossed with carouby de maussaune. Perhaps it wouldnt work if the genes are tightly linked as you suggest.
But i honestly wouldnt be oposed to replacing it entirely with a nice yellow snow pea. I've got red, purple, and green snaps. Who needs yellow. So, perhaps your on the right track T.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jun 29, 2015 21:24:40 GMT -5
Makes me want to ask how many centiMorgans distant the genes are... That'd give me a better idea about how many plants would need to be grown out to get larger pods. If it's a 1% chance of breaking the linkage I could aspire to doing that. If it's a 1:10000 chance I'd only daydream about it. In my red-podded pea project, the pollen donor had decent sized snap peas. But the offspring have pods that are about 2" to 2.5" long. |
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Post by templeton on Jun 29, 2015 21:41:49 GMT -5
Joseph Lofthouse, I'll try and dig out reference. From memory it didnt have that much technical detail. Was a few years ago, memory.... t
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Post by templeton on Jun 30, 2015 2:56:18 GMT -5
Joseph Lofthouse, here's the relevant page from the paper. Sorry, not a linkage , pleitropism. not to sure of the difference - should have taken genetics rather than maths...  sorry, res is a bit low. It's from a paper by myers, lamborn & baggett - in Plant Breeding Reviews 2001 - Origin, history and genetic improvement of the snap pea. A better image of the relevant text.  T
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jun 30, 2015 9:29:44 GMT -5
templeton: Thanks. Sure enough... The snap peas that are currently growing in my garden are all smaller than the snow peas and shelling peas. Pleotropism seems harder to get around than just breaking a gene linkage...
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