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Post by Darth Slater on Mar 20, 2012 5:34:50 GMT -5
Hi guys, haven't been in for a while, I was wondering if anyone is working on a red podded Snow or snap pea?
I followed Alans advice and got the purple snap pea from Alan Kauplers site, my chefs are highly anticipating these.
Thanks, Darth
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Mar 20, 2012 8:38:23 GMT -5
Hi Darth,
I believe several people here are already making crosses. I know this spring I'm hoping to at least try crossing Alan's purple snap and his yellow snap since they sound like they are currently the best purple and yellow snap varieties currently released. I'm hoping to do other crosses as well, but we will see.
-Andrew
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Post by raymondo on Mar 20, 2012 13:35:00 GMT -5
At least two of us downunder are working on one. I'm trying to get good quality purple and yellow snaps/snows as a first step so a red one is a way off yet.
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Post by templeton on Mar 20, 2012 18:26:41 GMT -5
We don't have any purple snap or snow available here, nor a good yellow snow or snap, so it's back to first principles. I'm trying two parallel approaches - get a red and cross it back to a snow, and get a purple snow and/or a yellow snow, then cross them to get a red snow.
I'm growing out my F1 Purple Podded X Golden Podded at the moment. The F2 might give a red, but since both parents are fibrous, no snap or snow possible.
Getting any of these then looking for a coloured snap is my plan ( I'm using a snap as one of the parents, so it might just turn up)
T
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Post by raymondo on Mar 20, 2012 23:45:49 GMT -5
T, isn't Golden Podded a snow? Or is it just a snow when little? Either way, it doesn't have much going for it flavour-wise, does it?
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Post by templeton on Mar 21, 2012 1:42:01 GMT -5
T, isn't Golden Podded a snow? Or is it just a snow when little? Either way, it doesn't have much going for it flavour-wise, does it? I must admit I didn't try old pods Ray, but there's nothing really to recommend it flavour-wise. I reckon a few things that count as snows may only carry pp or vv rather than both - Swiss Giant for example, was a bit fibrous when it got old, and didn't really do much flavour wise either - bland and grassy. I'm wondering (as I have before) how to test for fibre without sacrificing a whole pod. I did sample the ends of some pods in November, and the peas inside went on to develop properly, but I can't say it was really comprehensive test. I like to get a whole pod and chew it up to pulp to see what remains. |
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Post by cesarz on Mar 21, 2012 5:01:18 GMT -5
I have been working towards a red snap pea, currently I already have purple snap and purple snow and an improved yellow snow.
Recently I crossed my purple snap with the yellow snow to get the red snap peas. Fingers crossed they come out on the next crop.
The problem I encounter is getting lots the single podded types coming out of the cross which I reject from the breeding program. I only work with double podded types.
Everybody is welcome to have some of my purple snow seeds, they are double podded and has 8 peas in a pod.
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Post by raymondo on Mar 21, 2012 5:06:23 GMT -5
Hi cesarz, my only cross so far is a double podded snap with a single podded purple soup pea. The F1s produce both doubles and singles so it will be interesting to see what the F2 brings from that point of view.
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Post by cesarz on Mar 21, 2012 5:41:49 GMT -5
Hi Ray,
I started out almost the same way I used a double podded snow (Kawana III) crossed to the darkest purple podded soup pea single podded (SSE 310). I am on the 6th generation and 90% are double podded dark purples with 5% single podded purples and the rest are greeny purples which I threw away..
My yellow snow (Golden Podded same variety as yours) are double podded and was crossed to sugar snap (Aberdeen) to create a sweeter version of the yellow podded. Yes the variety Golden Podded is pretty yucK. It is only on the second generation.
I crossed the selection of my F6 purple podded snow back to a snow pea called Carouby which has pods that are edible until late in maturity - a real snow pea. Also crossed the F6 purple to sugar snap Aberdeen to get the new purple snap.
My planned cross to get red snow/snap are:
1. F3 Purple Snap x Yellow Snow(half snap)
2. F7 Purple Snow x Yellow Snow(half snap)
3. F7 Purple Snow x Green Snap(half yellow snow)
This way I get both snap and snow peas and no shelling peas.
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Post by templeton on Mar 21, 2012 6:11:01 GMT -5
nice work cesarz. How many generations do you get per year there?
My crosses have been a range of single flower purple poddeds: Diggers, Lost Seed Co, Select Organics, and Angela's Blue, crossed to a range of disease resistant, dwarf, double flowered snows and snaps: Yakumo, a single flower big pod, Delta Louisa, a double flowered disease resistant dwarf, Chamber of Death, a disease resistant dwarf, and Oregon Spring, a disease resistant double flower dwarf. I've also crossed a couple to a generic dwarf sugar snap.
I've only just got my hands on a couple of good sugar snaps, so might do some back crosses this season. As if I haven't got enough grow outs to go on with!
Hope we can draw on your experience.
T
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Mar 21, 2012 21:12:06 GMT -5
T, isn't Golden Podded a snow? Or is it just a snow when little? Either way, it doesn't have much going for it flavour-wise, does it? Yeah, Golden Sweet / Golden Podded isn't really that sweet at all. I think it has at least one set of genes that give it somewhat fibre-free pods, but i believe it is lacking in the other set that Rebsie talks about. The ones i grew all had constricted pods, so they have the potential to be a decent snow pea, but they aren't going to be inflated like most snow peas i guess. My knowledge about what actually classifies a variety as a snow pea is limited. They could use some breeding work for flavour in my opinion. I'm excited to work with Alan's improved Opal Creek. Just looking at the super wrinkly seeds it gives me the impression that it's going to taste way better than golden podded. |
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Post by raymondo on Mar 21, 2012 21:26:14 GMT -5
Yes, Golden Podded certainly could do with improvement. Rebsie crossed it with the snap pea Sugar Ann and got a nice tasting segregate. I think I might spend some time and space doing evaluations on the various snows and snaps I have. I'll do some more crosses too, especially with Golden Podded, but concentrate on the evaluations, looking at sweetness, productivity, disease resistance and stringlessness, if it truly exists in peas.
It will be good to hear how everyone's peas go this season, especially Opal Creek.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 21, 2012 22:29:57 GMT -5
I'm expecting to grow out F1 seed of some (attempted) crosses between [♀purple soup pea X ♂ yellow snow pea] and [♀ yellow snow pea X ♂ purple snap pea]. I might have jumbled some of the seed into a bag with other seed, but I'll plant it all together, and make more crosses, and see what falls out. I'm liking the idea of the [♀yellow X ♂ purple] strategy, because it seems like I'd be able to pick any hybrids out in the F1 even if they don't segregate to red/yellow/purple/green until the F2.
Another pea cross I'm intending to attempt this summer is between winter peas that overwintered as young plants and shelling peas... Can you imagine the coup that would be? If I could plant peas in September and start harvesting them a month earlier in the spring than any other grower? Oh my gosh, 95% winter kill would be a very acceptable survival rate to get a highly favored crop to market way early!
One mistake I made last summer is that I attempted to do crosses in my main production beds, and the vines grew another foot or two after the pollinations and they were hard to find after the fact. This summer I'm intending to grow smaller plots for the crossing blocks so that they are easier to keep track of.
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Post by 12540dumont on Mar 22, 2012 16:02:21 GMT -5
Ahh, what a tangled web we weave, when we try to cross our peas....
Joseph, I agree with you on those early peas. At the end of 2010, I planted those Amish peas, (I may have sent you some) and they overwintered and gave me peas in February). However, the first warm days of March killed them off. I still have them in a jar. I figured if we got another one of those years without a summer, that would be the pea I go to. I guess that they can take the heat or cold, but not both.
As we've had not much winter, I'm expecting a grueling summer, I've planted the last go of these peas today. (I set aside the Golden Peas, Sugar Magnolia and Amish Snaps for next year)
Long Island Seed: Snow Peas Mixed & Snap Peas Mixed I have no idea what colors these will be. Typical though is that the pea seeds are a huge grex of colors.
Taichung 11 Snow Pea
Southland Snow
Picton Snow
Taichung 13 edible Pod
Gigante Svizzero (Caroby)
Cascadia Snap
Kefe Von Seengen
Arbogast Sugar
Schweizer Riesen
Sugaree Snap
Cesar, I wish you'd post a picture of your yellow snow....(sorry I couldn't resist).
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Post by cesarz on Mar 26, 2012 4:59:23 GMT -5
Cesar, I wish you'd post a picture of your yellow snow....(sorry I couldn't resist). Hi holly, Better yet, I'll send you some, I don't have much left as I planted most of it three weeks ago. I got lots of the purple as it is sooo productive. |
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