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Post by littleminnie on Oct 14, 2012 8:48:36 GMT -5
Reminds me of Never Cry Wolf. To prove the wolves lived on rodents, he ate only mice-like creatures.
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Post by blueadzuki on Oct 14, 2012 14:33:54 GMT -5
is it worth hunting for meat or is it too lean? They're a pretty starved bunch of critters by the time they start making a nuisance of themselves around people. Also, they can be full of parasites, which is not very appetizing. Starved animals tend to be more susceptible to parasitic infestations. If I wanted to hunt feral hogs for meat, I'd hunt them in the fall after a really good spring & summer for that year. If it was a good year for the hogs, it would have been a good year for me too. I'd do better hunting deer & wild turkey I think. Either that or raise my own hogs.  Another point worth considering is that the stuff probably usually tastes pretty nasty, even if they are well fed. Since there is presumably no one going around "fixing" feral swine (or at least, not a siginficant number, I've heard of people doing that to caught ones in an attempt to lower population) I imagine that "boar taint" is probably pretty close to universal in the adult males. So unless you likey your pork really, really gamey, you'd probably have to confine yourself to hunting sows and piglets. Add on the fact that wild pigs in this country are really wild in that they are eating whatever they can get, and god knows how they would actually taste. This wouldn't be like the "wild" pigs they use in Spain to make the reallty expensive hams (where the pigs are allowed to run around for a year or two in a very carefilly surpervised artificial forest with each tree carefully chosen for maximizing pig fattening and flavor profiles). On the whole I would imagine sticking with domestic pigs would probably be the better choice. |
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Post by circumspice on Oct 14, 2012 18:05:06 GMT -5
They're a pretty starved bunch of critters by the time they start making a nuisance of themselves around people. Also, they can be full of parasites, which is not very appetizing. Starved animals tend to be more susceptible to parasitic infestations. If I wanted to hunt feral hogs for meat, I'd hunt them in the fall after a really good spring & summer for that year. If it was a good year for the hogs, it would have been a good year for me too. I'd do better hunting deer & wild turkey I think. Either that or raise my own hogs. Another point worth considering is that the stuff probably usually tastes pretty nasty, even if they are well fed. Since there is presumably no one going around "fixing" feral swine (or at least, not a siginficant number, I've heard of people doing that to caught ones in an attempt to lower population) I imagine that "boar taint" is probably pretty close to universal in the adult males. So unless you likey your pork really, really gamey, you'd probably have to confine yourself to hunting sows and piglets. Add on the fact that wild pigs in this country are really wild in that they are eating whatever they can get, and god knows how they would actually taste. This wouldn't be like the "wild" pigs they use in Spain to make the reallty expensive hams (where the pigs are allowed to run around for a year or two in a very carefilly surpervised artificial forest with each tree carefully chosen for maximizing pig fattening and flavor profiles). On the whole I would imagine sticking with domestic pigs would probably be the better choice. I once read that in medieval Europe, the lords kept herds of swine in their local woods to fatten up. I guess they were being fattened up on acorns. Then they were herded into freshly harvested grain fields to clean up the remains leftover from the harvest, then herded back to the manor in the fall to be slaughtered & processed. That sounds like a pretty shrewd way to manage resources. |
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Post by steev on Oct 14, 2012 21:54:57 GMT -5
It's an excellent way to manage resources provided: you own the forest; you own the fields; you own the herds; you essentially own the resident peasants; you have the right to maim or kill anyone (any peasant) who steals/poaches anything you own.
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Post by blueadzuki on Oct 14, 2012 22:29:47 GMT -5
It's an excellent way to manage resources provided: you own the forest; you own the fields; you own the herds; you essentially own the resident peasants; you have the right to maim or kill anyone (any peasant) who steals/poaches anything you own. And of course, you have the legal right to have your way with each and every maiden on your property, even before her spouse does. Oh and don't forget to keep at least one boar alive until Chrsitmas, to have a "proper" Yuletime spread, complete with singing www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pj5BnQlMCk(yes I know the carol dates from far later than the middle ages, but the custom doesn't) |
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Post by steev on Oct 15, 2012 1:23:10 GMT -5
Yes. Well. Um; I thought the Primae Noctae thing might be a bit much (one doesn't have to strive to sound extreme, given one's inclinations and the Rightist tilt of things, nationally).
I remember in the early eighties, seeing, in a local supermarket, boar's heads for sale around Christmas. I have no idea who they thought were going to buy those in a blue-collar, mostly un-white, part of Oakland. I never saw that, before or since.
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Post by blueadzuki on Oct 15, 2012 7:29:28 GMT -5
Well, for my part until I was about 10 or so, I (in my sheltered little suburban community) assumed the carol was a old commecial for cold cuts! (i.e. they meant a Boar's Head Ham or Smoked Turkey breast)
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Post by circumspice on Oct 15, 2012 8:40:04 GMT -5
It's an excellent way to manage resources provided: you own the forest; you own the fields; you own the herds; you essentially own the resident peasants; you have the right to maim or kill anyone (any peasant) who steals/poaches anything you own. And of course, you have the legal right to have your way with each and every maiden on your property, even before her spouse does. Oh and don't forget to keep at least one boar alive until Chrsitmas, to have a "proper" Yuletime spread, complete with singing www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pj5BnQlMCk(yes I know the carol dates from far later than the middle ages, but the custom doesn't) Sorry guys... Hate to pop your bubble... That is an old myth, unsubstantiated by any verifiable facts either contemporaneously or historically. Droit du seigneur (/ˈdrɑː də seɪnˈjɜr/; French pronunciation: [dʁwa dy sɛɲœʁ]) was a putative legal right allowing the lord of a medieval estate to take the virginity of his serfs' maiden daughters. Critical medieval scholarship now regards this supposed right as a myth, as one recent specialist has put it, "the simple reason why we are dealing with a myth here rests in the surprising fact that practically all writers who make any such claims have never been able or willing to cite any trustworthy source, if they have any. Terminology: The French expression Droit du seigneur roughly translates as "right of the lord", but native French prefer the terms droit de jambage ("right of the leg") or droit de cuissage ("right of the thigh"), in reference to the exercise of this supposed right. The term is often used synonymously with jus primae noctis /ʒʌs ˈpraɪmiː ˈnɒktɨs/,[2] which is Latin for "law of the first night" History: The origin of this popular belief is difficult to trace, though readers of Herodotus were made to understand that a possibly similar custom had obtained among the tribe of the "Adyrmachidae" in distant ancient Libya, where Herodotus thought it unique: "They are also the only tribe with whom the custom obtains of bringing all women about to become brides before the king, that he may choose such as are agreeable to him."[3] Early mention of the right used as social criticism occurred in 1556 in the work of French lawyer and author Jean Papon (1505-1590).[4] It acquired widespread currency after Voltaire accepted the practice as historically authentic in his Dictionnaire philosophique; soon it became used frequently, especially in satire.[5] Paolo Mantegazza in his 1935 book, The Sexual Relations of Mankind, stated his belief that while not a law, it was most likely a binding custom. Instances of the right have, however, been observed elsewhere, such as the Ottoman Empire. As late as the early twentieth century, Kurdish chieftains (khafirs) in Western Armenia reserved the right to bed Armenian brides on their wedding night.[6][7] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_de_seigneur |
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Post by steev on Oct 15, 2012 19:33:41 GMT -5
I assume, circumspice, that you accept the less titillating "rights" as factual. "Pop your bubble", interesting usage that, in context.
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Post by circumspice on Oct 16, 2012 8:26:51 GMT -5
I assume, circumspice, that you accept the less titillating "rights" as factual. "Pop your bubble", interesting usage that, in context. Steev, 2 observations: 1. Pop your bubble refers to kids blowing soap bubbles, with a mean kid popping the large beautiful bubbles that the other kids made. 2. I and probably most other females find the idea of rape by a man who is your 'boss' less than tittilating. 'nuff said? ”interesting usage that, in context”... |
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Post by davida on Oct 16, 2012 10:46:26 GMT -5
I assume, circumspice, that you accept the less titillating "rights" as factual. "Pop your bubble", interesting usage that, in context. Steev, 2 observations: 1. Pop your bubble refers to kids blowing soap bubbles, with a mean kid popping the large beautiful bubbles that the other kids made. 2. I and probably most other females find the idea of rape by a man who is your 'boss' less than tittilating. 'nuff said? ”interesting usage that, in context”... Agree, totally. I signed on this morning because I have found several of Steev's recent comments highly offensive and not proper for a gardening forum. I was planning to add a post to this effect and was pleased to see your post. I would like to see HG offer information and be a safe haven for gardeners of all ages, including the young. In this regard, I would like to thank the majority of the forum members for being true ladies and gentlemen and offering such wonderful information and insight. But like the rest of you, I am a guest on this forum. I appreciate the information and friends that I have made on HG. David |
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Post by steev on Oct 16, 2012 10:47:15 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you at all. My post was ironic. I think any of those "rights" were literally medieval and that we are well-served by seeing them as such.
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Post by RpR on Oct 16, 2012 11:06:59 GMT -5
Circumspice:
When I was a kid, pop your bubble also meant popping ones bubble-gum bubble which often had annoying messy results depending on the type of bubble-gum one was chewing.
Ours was often the stuff that came with baseball cards, which is no longer available. I chewed my last stick either nineties or early two thousands.
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Post by steev on Oct 16, 2012 18:05:28 GMT -5
davida, if you find several of my comments highly offensive, you could PM me to discuss them like rational adults; if you prefer to air your sense of impropriety in the public forum, that's OK, too, but don't snipe at me without specifics when you find circumspice taking me to task (I think mistakenly); that smacks of taking an opportunity to pile on.
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Post by 12540dumont on Oct 16, 2012 19:25:15 GMT -5
There was a possom in the barn sink last night. Vile critter. Had a fight with the cat. The cat did not win. If I see it again I'm going to whap it with a broom.
Came back from Greenville, there's a deer living in my backyard, pruning my plum tree. It's hugely fat. If it were here, it would be in the freezer by now.
I love the cheese video. Can't wait to show it to Leo.
I'm taking a break from shucking corn. Bad year for corn earworm. Next year, I'm planting all my corn early with no late season corn at all.
I'm thinking
Ashworth or whatever Joseph sends me.
Luscious
Cherokee Flour Corn
Florianni
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