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Post by richardw on May 7, 2016 15:09:16 GMT -5
Your walking onion strain is just so different to mine, my flowers are much weaker being so heavy dominated by bulbils
I'm interested in how come some strains of walking onion has become so dissimilar
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Post by kazedwards on May 7, 2016 19:23:15 GMT -5
Your walking onion strain is just so different to mine, my flowers are much weaker being so heavy dominated by bulbils I'm interested in how come some strains of walking onion has become so dissimilar My thoughts are that they have acclimated to different areas for long time changing them. Also I think that long ago they were more popular with many strains that have been forgotten. Kinda like with potato onions. |
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Post by philagardener on May 7, 2016 20:00:30 GMT -5
They may have a relatively high rate of somatic mutation, and being clonally propagated, it may be easy to select variants by intention or chance. My own patch was started from only 1 or two topsets, so it probably has a pretty narrow genetic basis.
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Post by richardw on May 7, 2016 20:10:20 GMT -5
Mine were like wise, i was only given 1 or 2 bulbs about 30 years ago.
Ive planted out my F2 bulbs earlier than planed as the weather has been so warm, most have green shoot up, will be interesting to see if the flowers are stronger from this generation.
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Post by kazedwards on May 7, 2016 20:51:04 GMT -5
I started with 3? Plants that had divided already divided into 12? Total. I separated them went I planted them. I think the big bulb is because it has had to compete much since it is outside of the main bed. I might did it up and transplant to a space in the garden. I at first thought they were not Fleener's due to the size but after seeing that one they might be. I saw this spathe opening today. It has two large bulbils and half flowers.   |
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Post by templeton on May 7, 2016 20:51:10 GMT -5
There are definitely different genetic strains around. I'm growing 4 different lines this year, one of which came out of Green Mountain Potato Onion F2 lines. Hoping it will continue to topset in this iteration.
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Post by robertb on May 9, 2016 17:30:20 GMT -5
I've got five named varieties (I'm not 100% sure they're all different yet), plus a sixth which will probably turn out to be Catawissa, since that seems to be the commonest here, but might yet be something different. Some opf them are definitely different form each other, others I'm less sure. Time will tell!
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Post by kazedwards on May 10, 2016 22:38:41 GMT -5
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Post by kazedwards on May 10, 2016 23:08:57 GMT -5
The flowers are not what I expected them to look like. I thought they would be more like garlic flowers. It looks like the anther extends a lot farther out than the stigma. If I remember in garlic the stigma is just a little farther out than the anthers but not by much. Also the pollen is yellow in the onions instead of purple like my garlic is. I will need to take a better look at the flower structure in the morning. It all is very interesting and exciting. Hopefully the garlic will have flowers again this year.
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Post by kazedwards on May 11, 2016 10:56:33 GMT -5
I looked again today and it seems there is a pistil but I do not see a noticeable stigma. The pistil does extend past the stamen. Hopefully I am just missing it and the flowers are fertile. In these pics you can see the pistil.   |
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Post by kazedwards on May 12, 2016 10:26:13 GMT -5
Here is a picture of one of the bigger heads.   |
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Post by kazedwards on May 13, 2016 11:16:15 GMT -5
I was picking bulbils for someone today and a flower head broke. I was able to get closer pictures. You can see the style on the top flower. It also looks like the ovule is swelling. Perhaps they self and that is the reason for the missing stigma?    |
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Post by richardw on May 14, 2016 0:56:51 GMT -5
Those flowers are amazing, if you cant get seed from those there's something wrong. The tree onions that i'm working with is the garlic's equivalent of get seed from a soft neck variety
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Post by kazedwards on May 14, 2016 1:38:09 GMT -5
I'm hopping so. The flowers were a big surprise. This year is the first year I have seen one. Not a single one in years past. The beg is really over crowded and seems to get poor light causing the plants to lean strongly. I need to thin them out this fall. I wonder if the overcrowding has something to do with triggering the plants to flower? I wonder the same thing about garlic. By the time garlic starts throwing up scapes the weeds are taking over and they are competing more with each other.
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Post by richardw on May 20, 2016 20:56:48 GMT -5
I was going to wait till spring to plant the F2 bulbs, but you know whats its like,i just cant help myself. Like the original clone a single clove will always emerge out of the soil with multiple, all the F2 bulbs have done likewise.  |
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