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Post by templeton on Sept 9, 2012 16:47:35 GMT -5
I've been holding my breath for the last week or so, hoping that the pod on one of my F2 growouts will maintain its snow-like characteristics. And it looks as though it will. While not fully purple, and probably not homozygous for colouration, I'm pretty excited to have got one in less than 12 months, from an F2 growout of only 20 plants. Wondering if I should risk an early summer F3 generation - last year I was lucky to get anything off my mid summer growout of F1s - most plants succumbed despite growing in mostly shade. But since this one's parent was a survivor, perhaps there's a bit of genetic ability to survive and set in hot weather - not sure. T Attachments:
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Post by robertb on Sept 10, 2012 13:31:42 GMT -5
Take your time and make sure.
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Post by richardw on Sept 11, 2012 0:56:40 GMT -5
Well done and good luck
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Post by templeton on Sept 11, 2012 4:02:32 GMT -5
But Robert, I'm so keen to see what the next geneeration looks like
and thanks Richard, I'm still checking it a couple of times a day!
T
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Post by oxbowfarm on Sept 11, 2012 12:23:38 GMT -5
If you have enough seed Robert, maybe you can ask someone on HG in a mild winter area like the southern US or Europe to grow them out for you? I'd do it but I've never gotten fall peas to work, we don't have mild winters.
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Post by templeton on Sept 11, 2012 18:30:03 GMT -5
I think you meant me? I really don't have enough seed, and I'm a bit too possessive at the moment - but will be happy to share in a few generations, if anyone is interested.
It's a good idea, a bit like the cross hemisphere tomato project, but in alternate seasons. Trouble is I'm not sure I would trust big pea seeds to international postage.
I could always just try to curb my impatience!
In the meantime, I have sown 10 green seed (not dried down) from one of my fully purple but fibre podded F2s in this line - it was the first to set pods, and has another 6 or so pods developing, so I thought I could risk it. I want to see if it was by chance heterozygous for the fibre genes, and there should be time to get a crop before the intense summer heat. The other pods maturing are insurance in case of failure.
It's a bit risky, I've had variable results with fresh (undried) seed.
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Post by raymondo on Sept 12, 2012 1:06:14 GMT -5
I've recently sown 60 or so of my F2 seeds. I think this should be enough to find material to go on with. I'll only be keeping climbers with red pigment in the leaf axils.
Are yours climbers T?
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Post by templeton on Sept 12, 2012 7:25:55 GMT -5
Yep, this cross (Purple Flower Mammoth X PurplePodded) is tall X tall Ray. But I've just planted out about 60 F2 Chamber of Death (Dwarf, powdery resistant, snow) X Purple Podded (tall, susceptible, fibre). These have segregated for dwarf and tall, so I've planted them separately - less dwarfs, of course, but not sure of the ratios, i will have to go and recount them next weekend.
Don't be too quick to reject the non purple axil plants. I've just planted out a second batch of my PFM X PP, they both carry A, so the whole batch should be homozygous for A but I paid a bit more attention this time and not all the plants are obviously purple axiled. Curious, since i thought purple axil was both dependent and tightly linked to A. I'll get some numbers on the weekend.
Another thing - different coloured seeds in one of my F2 (I need to check outside again to say which) have different germination. Smooth green seeds in one batch have failed to germinate, while the tans, and purple spotteds are now 3 inches tall. All were pre soaked, given a day or two on the heat mat, then sown to trays.
I'm away in the field for the next few days, but will try to gather the facts and some pics for a post on the weekend.
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Post by raymondo on Sept 13, 2012 18:01:33 GMT -5
I figure I'll have plenty with red pigmented leaf axils so I can afford to be ruthless when culling. Even if it ends up being only a few plants, I'll still get plenty of F3 seeds to go on with. If I keep too many, I'd be tempted to go off and explore other possibilities. Being ruthless early on helps me stay focussed.
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