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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 23:12:26 GMT -5
Magnolia vine aka five flavor berry  naturalherbalextracts.comI bought some dried berries, to grow, just because I thought the plant was interesting to look at. I have since found out that it is supposed to embody the five philosophical elements, so is made into healing tonics, and even a juice. I've seen a tea, but the dried berries are basically skin on a seed. It would be like juicing a peppercorn. Does anyone have any experience on how this would be done? I know, with Elder, there is a stewpot with water. The solids are skimmed off. The liquid is boiled down and sometimes fermented with the flowers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 18:27:41 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Pdzb3uHV8Many of it's health effects are attributable to it being a relaxant, dilator of blood vessels, gastrointestinal linings, and lung tissues. The caustic nature of it's sap might inhibit diseases of skin and other such linings, but it has a cumulative effect, so that "overdosing" on the berries might cause rashes. Overdose is dependent on individual tolerances, meaning that the signs of poisoning are what tells you to adjust the dose. IMHO, this might be similar to other, home remedies in being a counterirritant. Rue and chilies immediately come to mind. There is even an oleander tea for the real daredevil. I see occasional pics of a proud farmer holding a giant bottle, can imagine him guzzling down bellyfulls of bright red goodness. In reality, it would have to be somewhat dilute to be safe, not used heavily, or on a continual basis. I see this as a lesson in herbs and pharms, having their tradeoffs, and I have a healthy fear of both.
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Post by mountaindweller on Nov 26, 2012 5:33:27 GMT -5
I have two small seedlings sitting in pots. Hopefully the snails will leave them alone. you will need male and female plants and they grow in shade and need a trellis. I think have cold stratified them but don't really remember.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 11:39:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the growing tips.
I am finding that buying fruit can be cheaper than buying seeds. Mine came by the ounce. So, I hope to have many from both sexes.
Most of our winters are somewhere around the 70's during the days, around the 40's in the evenings. I seem to be having excellent luck, stratifying, outdoors.
I have access to many possible growing materials, but tend to do best with what I can find on my own. I am raking up bark and leaves, especially from underneath the eucalyptus. Dogs dig holes around the tree dams, loosening hard clay. I shake my recycled, 5g pots, so this dust settles around the stiffer mulch. This allows water to soak into the clay, without running away, but makes it well-draining enough, not to stagnate. I have been placing my hardier seeds on top of this mixture, and covering those with a potting soil, rich in peat.
All I really do, after that, is check to see whether it needs a little water, once a day, but am having better results than some farmers who bought the same things as mature plants.
Some of the commercially-available mixes, which haven't been sitting around for awhile, have intentionally been 'cooked.' The give me the impression of being dryish and dead.
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Post by MikeH on Nov 26, 2012 11:40:59 GMT -5
I have a self-fertile hybrid variety - Eastern Prince. 2013 will be it's third year so I'm hopeful of seeing fruit. I'm also trying to start plants from seed - www.ebay.com/itm/Chinese-Magnolia-Vine-Schisandra-chinensis-Seeds-Edible-Fruit-Fast-Hardy-/270875037776?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item84b997053c. What I'm looking for is a male. If the self-fertile kiwi benefits from having a male close by, perhaps Eastern Prince will as well. There isn't much info on schisandra in Western literature but there's a huge amount of Chinese research. Given that Eastern Prince is a hybrid and the plant that I have shows no signs of a graft, propagation is by........  ?? This year's growth includes a couple of shoots about six inches away from the main stem. With this season's drought, I chose not to disturb the heavy mulch of wood chips so I don't know whether this they are suckers with roots or just shoots from low down on the main stem. Either way, I'll try propagating through layering and, if I can get one, a root cutting. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 11:48:58 GMT -5
Given that Eastern Prince is a hybrid and the plant that I have shows no signs of a graft, propagation is by........ ?? If seeds don't produce true-to-type, and it was not grafted, a known variety must must have been propagated by cutting, air layer, or division. |
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Post by MikeH on Nov 26, 2012 14:22:42 GMT -5
Yep, I don't know what the seeds will produce nor do I know when I'll have seeds so I'll start with the most the two vegetative techniques with which I often have success. They also won't impact the vine and possible fruiting as will cuttings and air layering. While I am starting to see multiple vines coming up from the root, I'm not sure that division is indicated and I'm not yet prepared to try such a rough approach since I can't easily replace the plant should I destroy it.
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Post by mountaindweller on Nov 26, 2012 20:43:45 GMT -5
Are you sure that the seeds are not true to type? How big was your plant when you planted it out? And what kind of trellis did you provide? I think it is a very interesting plant as it grows in shade.
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Post by MikeH on Nov 26, 2012 22:10:20 GMT -5
I'm hoping for fruit this year so it'll be a while before I know if the seeds come true. The plant was 2' tall last year, its first, and didn't grow much. This year it exploded with about 6' of growth. It has a southern exposure and gets a lot of sun. It had about 6 inches of ramial wood chips as mulch. I trained it to grow up wire.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 16:03:21 GMT -5
you will need male and female plants Are you sure that the seeds are not true to type? Seeds are not assumed to be true-to-type, even if they come from one parent. IMO, the question is whether it is from cutting or seedling. Cuttings of Eastern Prince would be self-fruitful. Seedlings may or may not be. |
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Post by MikeH on Nov 27, 2012 17:10:47 GMT -5
IMO, the question is whether it is from cutting or seedling. Cuttings of Eastern Prince would be self-fruitful. Seedlings may or may not be. Well, I got the Eastern Prince from a reputable vendor so I expect that it is what it claims to be. But until I see fruit, ................. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 19:30:26 GMT -5
My unidentified variety was meant to be eaten.There are many dozens of seeds in a little, 1oz pouch. If they're viable, I will hopefully have lots of pollinizers.
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Post by nicollas on Aug 31, 2013 11:58:28 GMT -5
I've just bought the cultivar "Sadova n°1" which is a self-fertile magnolia vine from Ukran. The perfect combo might be Sadova n°1 + Eastern Prince  |
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Post by MikeH on Sept 8, 2013 4:23:46 GMT -5
I've just bought the cultivar "Sadova n°1" which is a self-fertile magnolia vine from Ukran. The perfect combo might be Sadova n°1 + Eastern Prince Well, I have three branches from my Eastern Prince mother plant layering in pots right. When Sadova is established, you could do the same, my friend, and we could each have an Eastern Prince and a Sadova. |
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Post by nicollas on Sept 8, 2013 5:55:55 GMT -5
That is the plan, and it is a good one !
Just hope it is not the same cultivar with an americanized name
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