Dwarf Grey Sugar

[ottawagardener]

Just checked and yes those do seem to have a flat on the bottom and on the top shape.

[blueadzuki]

probably was, the most extreme cases always seemed to be small seeds, which almost seemed counterintuatuve (you think the larger the seeds were, the more pressure they'd be under and the sharper the cylnder would become). Never got to see how the pod looked but based on the seed shapes (includin some that were near perfect cones, which I suppose were the ones from the very end of the pod)I imagine it must feel like a rock, a pod with no bend to it at all)

[ottawagardener]

The ones at the back of this picture are cylindrical shaped and seem to have their dimples in the flattened parts. These are petite pois.

[blueadzuki]

That's pretty close, although on mine the edges are a lot sharper (probably due to these also having the wrinkled gene, while mine don't) What you have is pretty typical of how the "normal" sized peas look with the trait (you say these are petit pois, but as I have never grown that vareity, I don't know if that is a very small seeded pea or a normal sized pea that is thought to be very good for harvest as petit pois. (I think I only ever bumped into truly tiny seeded peas commecially only once, and I don't think the place still carries them). I still have one of my peas left from those days, I'll try and take a photo (bearing in mind my cell phone camera stinks)

[blueadzuki]

I incuded the all puirple one, for size reference.

[ottawagardener]

Oh yes, some of mine look like that but as you say, with the wrinkles. The petite pois are smaller than regular peas though not super small.

[blueadzuki]

Yeah the only super small I've seen (barring what I have picked out of bags (super small peas generally showed up in coriander, when they did) was the "wild pea" selection Underwood Garden's offered for a while. Those peas were about the size of buckshot. I really wish they still carried them for two reasons. 1. While much smaller plants and much smaller seeds, the tiny seeded peas tend to be super quick growers, so it is possible to go seed to seed in around 45 days (important here, where the weather goes from really deep frozen to too warm for cool weather crops really rapidly). and 2. while 99% of the seed was fairly ordinary while, there were two in the pack I got that were not. One was a mottled brown (like you sugars, more or less) the other I actually though was rose colored for a long time until the day I accientaly smushed it and made a discovery, rather than a rose colored coat on a white pea, it was a white colored coat on an ORANGE pea (same color as an orange lentil) I'd love to be able to get more like those, since I imagine orange peas are just chock full of extra nutrients.

[galina]

'Dwarf' grey sugar peas here (52 deg North UK) are 4ft tall if planted at the normal time (sown indoors late February, transplanted 6 weeks later).

Not dwarf by any stretch of the imagination!

If planted later (better light conditions) they grow shorter but don't do so well. I have also planted these at my parents 46 deg North and the plants grew shorter - 3ft. Latitude and planting time does affect pea height a lot. DGS definitely needs staking!

[blueadzuki]

Fresh (as in just got) from the Indian Groecy store



It's a little hard to see, but among all those normal plain white peas are 5-6 with the M gene (which makes the marmorated, or mottled, seed coat color) Combined with the rest of the bags I bought this will give me a good handful of M peas for the spring garden (I like to plant M, the genes that give them the coat color also seem to make the plants more reslient to stress, good in my iffy pea climate). I also find thes bags a little funny as, in all likeyhood, the marmorated ones are the result of green manure pea plants that missed the culling. I just find the idea of using peas as green manure for peas a little ironic.

[ferdzy]

Galina; I'd have accepted 4 feet as, okay - tall for a dwarf. But 6 feet? I just can't buy that as a dwarf anything.

[galina]

Yep, Ferdzy, I would agree with you there.

[Drahkk]

Dec 21, 2012 13:43:58 GMT -5 blueadzuki said:

*the "drum trait" is one that affects how far apart the seeds are in a pod. As you have probably noticed, a lot of older peas have seeds that push agaisnt each other rather hard, so the mature seeds have somewhat flattened tops and bottoms. In the "drum" type the seeds REALLY push up against each other and agains the sides of the pod, so that the mature seed is compeletely cylindrical and "drum-shaped". Ive never seen them in pod

In Southern peas (cowpeas) that's commonly called the "crowder" trait. I didn't know a similar gene existed in regular garden peas as well.

MB

[blueadzuki]

Jan 11, 2013 23:22:51 GMT -5 Drahkk said:

Dec 21, 2012 13:43:58 GMT -5 blueadzuki said:

*the "drum trait" is one that affects how far apart the seeds are in a pod. As you have probably noticed, a lot of older peas have seeds that push agaisnt each other rather hard, so the mature seeds have somewhat flattened tops and bottoms. In the "drum" type the seeds REALLY push up against each other and agains the sides of the pod, so that the mature seed is compeletely cylindrical and "drum-shaped". Ive never seen them in pod

In Southern peas (cowpeas) that's commonly called the "crowder" trait. I didn't know a similar gene existed in regular garden peas as well.

MB

It is? I always thought "crowder" was simply an alternate common name, i.e. that all cowpeas were crowder peas, and vice versa. Thanks for clearing that up!
Incidentally, I looked it up on the gene list on the first page of this thread, and the "correct" common name for that kind of a pea is a chenille, or "caterpillar" pea, it relates to the "S" gene locus

[oxbowfarm]

Haven't been following this thread really closely but I just got these in trade from BBGP and thought they were beautiful.

[robertb]

Mottled shelling peas are often very old varieties, so they look really interesting!