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Post by raymondo on Jan 12, 2013 14:40:03 GMT -5
That's an attractive pea oxbow.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 12, 2013 14:59:38 GMT -5
The Mummy-pea i got from Nordgen has that mottled coloration! It's a very interesting variety, and the only umbellatum i was able to grow last year. Do those kinds of peas make good pea soup?
edit: i also think the biskopens pea has that pattern, but it's hard to tell since it's covered by red over top.
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Post by petitvilaincanard on Jan 12, 2013 15:22:03 GMT -5
What do you think of this one 'pois de la meuniere' It was very productive for me last year.  flowers bleu and violet,well visited by bumblebees.   |
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Post by Drahkk on Jan 12, 2013 15:28:09 GMT -5
It is? I always thought "crowder" was simply an alternate common name, i.e. that all cowpeas were crowder peas, and vice versa. Thanks for clearing that up! It refers to the peas being crowded into the pod. The tight packing tends to make them easier to shell, and also means more peas per pod, so it's a popular trait. They're not all crowders, but there are many different ones that are. Unlike tomatoes, cowpea variety names are usually very descriptive of pod and seed traits. What I'd like to either find or develop one day is a Top Pick Purple Hull Zipper Cream Crowder. Top pick peas cluster pods above the plants where they're easy to see. Purple hulls make it easy to spot and pick on time. Zipper pods are very easy to shell; in fact they often come partially open in your hand during picking. Cream peas are white and buttery smooth textured, and crowders make nice full pods. If a single variety with all those traits already exists I can't find it, so it may be a breeding project for some point in the future. MB |
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Post by blueadzuki on Jan 12, 2013 15:59:55 GMT -5
It is? I always thought "crowder" was simply an alternate common name, i.e. that all cowpeas were crowder peas, and vice versa. Thanks for clearing that up! It refers to the peas being crowded into the pod. The tight packing tends to make them easier to shell, and also means more peas per pod, so it's a popular trait. They're not all crowders, but there are many different ones that are. Unlike tomatoes, cowpea variety names are usually very descriptive of pod and seed traits. What I'd like to either find or develop one day is a Top Pick Purple Hull Zipper Cream Crowder. Top pick peas cluster pods above the plants where they're easy to see. Purple hulls make it easy to spot and pick on time. Zipper pods are very easy to shell; in fact they often come partially open in your hand during picking. Cream peas are white and buttery smooth textured, and crowders make nice full pods. If a single variety with all those traits already exists I can't find it, so it may be a breeding project for some point in the future. MB You know, It never occurred to me that "crowder" could be realted to "crowd" I just assumed it was some Southern Colloqiualism I wasn't familair with. Thios is quite edifying Sounds like something worth trying for. Living as far north as I do, most cowpeas take too long to reach maturity for me ) (or have day lengths requirements such that they simply won't flower in the first place). So pretty much all of my cowpeas are descendants of "founds" (cowpeas I found in bags of someting else and planted not to waste seed) Four of those actually made seed back, which I have on file. Using the namings conventions you use I guess you'd call the firts two Purple Pencil Double Black Spadenose. and Wax Candle Double Black Spadenose, both decended from a bag of Black Cowpeas from Vietnam I found in Chinatown two years ago. Both are large seeded, non crowder (spacer?) double blacks (meaning they are black coated, but are also black eyed [I only know this because a pod got broken off when it was only half mature, so I could see the eye which forms before the seed coat is fully colored while it was still visible) with spade shaped tips on the pods The main difference between the two is in the pods. Purple pencil has very skinny slightly constricted pods that are purple (I agree about how easy a purple hull makes it to tell when it's time to take seed, when it turned fully purple, I knew I had a day or two before it would start drying down and seed could be taken) Wax candle on the other hand, has very fat, juicy pods that are waxy white (which makes them look a bit creepy down the line, as the black seeds can start to become visible through the pod sides as they dry down) Pencil is by far the more productive, but I put a lot of my focus into growing out candle now since I think the fatter pods will be better if I want to ever eat the pea pods "green". I'm also hoping one or the other is hiding a trait I saw in some of thier siblings (where the inner cotyledons were pale green at maturity, not white). To these two more showed up in last years growout. Again very similar plants, both spadenosed again, smaller seeded, and green podded. These two differ only really in seed coat color, one is brown mottled on pink (or since I panicked and picked the seed a little early, on pale green) the other is cream with a mottled pale green and brown eye. Next year I'm going to try a bunch of seeds I pulled out of yard long beans I got in the city (there's one that is particualry interesting, a yeard long with a faty white pod that is incredibly rugose). |
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Post by raymondo on Jan 12, 2013 17:30:32 GMT -5
What do you think of this one 'pois de la meuniere' It was very productive for me last year. ... Another very attractive pea seed and plant. Is it a shelling pea? |
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Post by Drahkk on Jan 12, 2013 20:06:49 GMT -5
Not all cowpeas are named that way (Haricot Rouge, Whippoorwill, etc.), but many are. The ones we grow as regular staples are Pinkeye Purplehull, Top Pick Brown Crowder, and Zipper Cream, so you see where I'm getting it from.
I've never heard of a wax podded cowpea. You may have something special there. Same for the green cotyledons in a black pea. I've seen that trait in cream peas (white coat), but not black ones.
How far north are you? I tried some Black Crowders last year, and they started blooming and bearing a good two weeks ahead of all our other ones. Could be worth a try.
MB
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Post by blueadzuki on Jan 12, 2013 21:51:03 GMT -5
Not all cowpeas are named that way (Haricot Rouge, Whippoorwill, etc.), but many are. The ones we grow as regular staples are Pinkeye Purplehull, Top Pick Brown Crowder, and Zipper Cream, so you see where I'm getting it from. I've never heard of a wax podded cowpea. You may have something special there. Same for the green cotyledons in a black pea. I've seen that trait in cream peas (white coat), but not black ones. How far north are you? I tried some Black Crowders last year, and they started blooming and bearing a good two weeks ahead of all our other ones. Could be worth a try. MB Yes. The only catch is that, besides being less productive than the purple podded one, the white one is also a LOT more attractive to the critters so my current seed suppy consists of 5 seeds from one pod (the only one I beat the critters to). As for the green insides, if it is a similar gene to the pea one, it should associate independently of anything else, so the color of the seed coat should be irrelevant (think about it with normal peas, you can have green cotyledons inside whether the seed coat is white, brown, purple mottled or whatever. I'm in the Hudson Valley. And while I thank you for the offer I already have WAAY too many beans to grow to add another cowpea (especially since the only one in my family who really likes to eat them is my mom and then only once a year). Besides while the Vietnamese bag is all gone (I lost the rest of what I had left of the bag to an early frost last year) I found a very similar bean from Thailand. It doesn't have the green inside trait but otherwise they look the same, same shade, same off type in seed coat color (in this strain the off type coat is black with red speckles, going to black and red mottled in extreme cases. I'd actually prefer to get my on purpose growing to the off coat if I can, for differentiantion (I'm rather clumsy and it helps to have seed that is differentiable if i drop it on the floor). And the supply of that seems funtionally infinite as far as I can see (at least, the store I bought it at has enough to make getting another bag if needed almost certain. |
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Post by petitvilaincanard on Jan 13, 2013 14:03:13 GMT -5
What do you think of this one 'pois de la meuniere' It was very productive for me last year. ... Another very attractive pea seed and plant. Is it a shelling pea? I had it from kokopelli,kind of seed exchange. It is reported as snap,.But the pods are rather small.I eat jusyt very few of it. I didn't find anything on 'pois de la meuniere' on the net. Probably not of great commercial value,but I find the diversity of seedcolors and flowers fascinating.Maybe it's doing a lot of outcrossing,but I'm just guessing. |
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Post by steev on Jan 13, 2013 22:45:03 GMT -5
Pois de la Meuniere looks very interesting, if I ever get my act together growing peas.
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Post by iva on Aug 10, 2013 15:03:26 GMT -5
Galina; I'd have accepted 4 feet as, okay - tall for a dwarf. But 6 feet? I just can't buy that as a dwarf anything. Yep, my Dwarf Grey Sugar also grew very tall, 180cm (thats 5 feet) and was beautiful. I'm glad it was tall as I really got lots of peas from it... Very interesting debate about cowpeas, I'm just getting into those, trying to gather as much info as possible, and get seeds later to try them next year. Crowders sound most interesting to me... |
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Post by DebTheFarmer on Feb 10, 2014 1:54:55 GMT -5
Our Dwarf Grey Sugar grew 6ft tall as well. I figured the "dwarf" part applied to the pod size… but it was pretty standard. Peas and greens were both pretty tasty  |
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Post by robertb on Feb 12, 2014 9:06:38 GMT -5
I grew Dwarf Grey Sugar last year. I had a bit of a problem; I did my back in very badly, couldn't get to the plot, and the peas ended up collapsed into a confused mass on the ground somehow. So it's hard to say, but it's definitely not a dwarf variety. About 4-5 feet for me, I think, but pea heights are always variable.
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