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Post by ottawagardener on Jul 6, 2013 22:59:53 GMT -5
Okay, in light of the first 'OH' doesn't know what she has post, here's a second one. However, with this one, I'm pretty sure that it came in a mixed package from Joseph. It's a blonde/white coloured pea and pod that is entirely edible with no fibrous layer. It is also especially delicious and juicy. What is it? Last year, I just saved it with the helpful name of 'Blonde pea, grew well, medium productivity, excellent taste, edible pod.' Well, year two is a deluge rather than a drought and it is also growing well. Any ideas?  They are the ones on top of this hill of peas that I shelled. |
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Post by ottawagardener on Jul 6, 2013 23:05:44 GMT -5
P.S. Trying to look up 'blonde pea' just doesn't bring me to the information I need.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jul 7, 2013 0:15:02 GMT -5
A yellow snap pea? If yes, what a treasure!!!
If it came from me, that long ago, It may have been the result of the first manual pea pollination I attempted, and the ribbons fell off before I could collect the seed, so I considered the attempt a failure. I think it would have originated as a lost cross between a mislabeled (by a major local seed company) "Sugar Snap" and a yellow snow pea who's pollen was a gift from my neighbor. The seed would have come to you as edible pod seed. Among the blond pods are you getting segregation between edible pods and fibrous pods?
Hmmm. I chided the seed company for sending mixed up seed. I thought that I was planting a certain type of peas, but what came up was a mixture of snow peas and snap peas... So perhaps the line didn't originate with me, but was a result of some type of sloppiness on the part of the seed company, or heavy pollinator pressure in their fields. I didn't continue to grow that cultivar.
I grow my snow peas, and snap peas, and shelling peas in different rows in the same patch. I get about a 1% natural cross pollination rate between them. Enough that something like that could eventually show up in my garden, but it hasn't yet, except in the F2 of the red-podded pea project. And I don't think I shared that seed yet.
My shelling peas are heavily influenced by genetics from the Long Island Seed Project. I haven't seen blond peas show up in my shelling peas yet, but I'm expecting them eventually even if I don't breed for them intentionally.
I took Sugar Magnolia (purple snap peas) to market today. Oh my heck they were popular!
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Post by oxbowfarm on Jul 7, 2013 5:11:24 GMT -5
Love the blonde pea.
I'm going to take a moment to rant about off-types in snap pea seed. I get that a lot. Considering that they tend to charge a hefty premium for snap pea seed over other types, it ticks me off that it is so often contaminated with off-type material. A small amount of snow pea contamination I can live with but I dislike. What really gets me steamed is if the snaps are contaminated with shelling peas.
It makes harvesting really difficult as I have to be intensely focussed on making sure I'm leaving the shelling peas in the field. Nothing antagonizes a customer like selling them a pint of "snap" peas with shelling peas in them. This issue is basically what caused me to write off Fedco as a useful seed company, that and the fact that they basically blew me off when I complained about it.
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Post by khoomeizhi on Jul 7, 2013 6:41:19 GMT -5
i planted a whole packet from a local company that was supposed to be 'sugar snap' last year, and they were ALL off-type. maybe two or three snow pea plants, and all the rest were shellers. pissed me right off. they were pretty unhelpful when i let them know, too...so i let them know that i would be taking a break from purchasing from their company. went with southern exposure this year - one snow pea plant, the rest are good snap peas. saving seed this time.
the blonde peas looks nice.
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Post by ottawagardener on Jul 7, 2013 8:39:22 GMT -5
Yes, I'm segregating and yes there seems to be two types: blonde edible pods and blonde ones with thick shells but a fibrous layer. What makes this one so yummy is that the pod is thick and juicy. So no names huh?
Maybe it was your cross Joseph?
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Post by ottawagardener on Jul 7, 2013 8:39:40 GMT -5
If so I'm calling it icicle 'cause I can  |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jul 7, 2013 11:00:12 GMT -5
Could be my cross. I'd expect it to be segregating this year between fibrous pod and juicy snap pod. Icicle is a great name.
I'll start growing my snap peas in isolation from other types of peas. Seems like the prudent thing to do. I'm wondering if there is something about them that makes cross pollination more likely, or if it's just because it is trivial to notice if they have crossed because they get fibrous pods.
I wonder if, since seed producers know that peas are extreme inbreeders then there is no reason to isolate them so that creates purity problems among commercial seed.
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Post by 12540dumont on Jul 7, 2013 21:02:48 GMT -5
Well, I got Lincoln Peas from Redwood City and not one germinated. So, I'm much more grumpy about that. Joseph, I'm glad to hear that the Sugar Mags were a success for you. Very pretty peas. I like colored peas because they are easier to see. However, I haven't found any colored ones that are as good as green ones.
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Post by steev on Jul 7, 2013 23:32:41 GMT -5
Well, I think you should call it "Viking", and keep it out of too much sun, like Joseph.
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Post by ottawagardener on Jul 8, 2013 8:55:21 GMT -5
Another good one but I'm sticking with icicle on account of its refreshing nature. I'm not sure if that's like Joseph? Refreshing approach?
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Post by templeton on Jul 14, 2013 20:57:40 GMT -5
Love the blonde pea. I'm going to take a moment to rant about off-types in snap pea seed. I get that a lot. Considering that they tend to charge a hefty premium for snap pea seed over other types, it ticks me off that it is so often contaminated with off-type material. A small amount of snow pea contamination I can live with but I dislike. What really gets me steamed is if the snaps are contaminated with shelling peas. It makes harvesting really difficult as I have to be intensely focussed on making sure I'm leaving the shelling peas in the field. Nothing antagonizes a customer like selling them a pint of "snap" peas with shelling peas in them. This issue is basically what caused me to write off Fedco as a useful seed company, that and the fact that they basically blew me off when I complained about it. Just caught up with this thread. The John Innes pisum database notes spontaneous mutation from p to P - the recessive gene responsible for one part of the pod fiber. They report low mutation rates, < 1%, so it mightn't be the seed companies fault. I think there might be situations where the mutation rate is higher; if my experience in pod coloration patterns is any guide, although the genetics are supposed to be straight forward, they aren't. I suspect environmental conditions and perhaps some complicated and more or less subtle linkage issues might be in play: the same might be going on with fiber and pod wall thickness genetics. Re harvesting ease - I'm surprised you farmer types haven't looked to the umbellatum gene mixed with pod color for ease of harvest - I picture a semi-leafless (=self-supporting), waist high(= no bending), coloured snow or snap (= easy to see), bearing all its pods in an umbel at the top. Haven't been able to source umbelatum in Oz, otherwise i would give myself another breeding challenge. I'm going to have to grow out some of my industrial varieties to see if they have it this spring - I imagine they have many desirable traits that could be adapted for non-industrial ag. cheers from sunny Broome, T |
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Post by blueadzuki on Jul 15, 2013 6:55:16 GMT -5
Re harvesting ease - I'm surprised you farmer types haven't looked to the umbellatum gene mixed with pod color for ease of harvest - I picture a semi-leafless (=self-supporting), waist high(= no bending), coloured snow or snap (= easy to see), bearing all its pods in an umbel at the top. About the only problem I can see with that image is the colored pods. While they certainly would make the pods easier to see, a lot of the colored pod genes come tied pretty close with the colored seed genes, and a lot of those have some compounds that make the peas a lot less tasty. The fact you are picking the peas immature may mitigate this, but it is something to keep in mind if you are looking for a "full use" pea (one you can use as a snow/snap when it is young, and use any excess peas that get too old for soup) Haven't been able to source umbelatum in Oz, otherwise i would give myself another breeding challenge. I'm going to have to grow out some of my industrial varieties to see if they have it this spring - I imagine they have many desirable traits that could be adapted for non-industrial ag. cheers from sunny Broome, T If you take my advice (and happen to live within reasonable driving distance of a largish city) you may want to try and seek out a store that specializes in Indian foodstuffs. Because of the amount of peas that are part of a lot of their cooking, Indians grow a lot of peas, and in my experience, the diversity of traits and genes in their food market populations is extremely high (one store near me sells white peas by the bag that are so diverse that you can find examples of pretty much every seed phenotype (and so presumably, genotype) on the pea genome list in each bag.) |
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Post by ottawagardener on Jul 15, 2013 8:57:18 GMT -5
Awesome as always blueadzuki. P.S. Can I come on a pea tour with you one day?
Templeton: I like the idea of a true self supporting pea. I grow dwarfs in tight blocks but they still flop over. Could have been all the rain this year...
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Post by ottawagardener on Jul 15, 2013 8:57:49 GMT -5
Oh and the white pea above is very tasty and non bitter in all the stages I've eaten it so far.
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