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Post by 12540dumont on Jul 14, 2013 22:21:14 GMT -5
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jul 14, 2013 22:29:33 GMT -5
This is one seed with about 10 tillers and each one is making an ear. I'm leaving this one alone to see what it does. Looks Hopi to me...
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Post by 12540dumont on Jul 14, 2013 22:36:08 GMT -5
The package it self is very nice. I don't like corn that is open on the end. This is nice and tight. The second photo is of the corn itself. Quite a bit of diversity here. The one that has a lot of purple has the best flavor. Overall Leo and I think this corn tastes a lot like Silver Queen. I left the colored cob on a counter in the barn from Wednesday till Sunday and it was still sweet. So, overall at least 4 days off plant and still good. Lots of these ears are yellow with a few purple kernels. The brix was between 16 & 17. It's a good corn. Other than what me and my family and friends tasted, I'm letting the rest of this dry down for seed. I will send it back to Joseph when it's ready. Hopefully, he'll have more to send out this year so some of you can try it too. I'm harvesting Mystique this week at the farm and I am not near as impressed with this hybrid as I am with the Paradise Sweet. Mystique was a mistake! Only makes ONE ear per stalk. On over 50% of the patch. The corn with not much tip fill is from the very end of the patch. I didn't want you to think I picked only perfect corns for these photos. 98% looked like the 3 on the right! For the record, Sugar Buns is my go to corn. It keeps 2 weeks in the field without getting starchy and a week in the fridge. Joseph, you're gaining. 10 days in the field and 4 days in the fridge! (I pick all my corn first thing in the morning and hydro cool it.) (Big tubs of ice and water, before it's bagged and put in the fridge until it's time to load the truck). Thank you Joseph, it was a delight! I want to do it again next year and make 2 plantings of it. (One early, one late). Days to Maturity: 75 (1275 heat units) That's on my farm in California. I picked it at 76, 80 and 86! At 86 there were a few ears overdone, but the rest were grand.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jul 15, 2013 13:49:05 GMT -5
Holly: Thanks for the recent grow reports. I'm looking forward to receiving the Paradise sweet corn seed. This growing season I planted more than an acre of the LISP Ashworth seed that you sent last fall. Thanks for your collaboration. I've started harvesting garlic for you... It's looking great. I'm finally learning how to grow proto-landrace garlic more effectively: I'm planting (and harvesting) bulb-to-row so that it's easier to distinguish phenotype differences than it was when I was separating the cloves at home and then planting helter-skelter. One thing of great interest to me arose by combining grow reports from Holly, and another grower. Holly reported great germination on Paradise, and the other grower reported poor germination. The most obvious difference between them is that the other grower did the soak test prior to planting. My current hypothesis is that the seed that passes the soak test is absorbing water so rapidly that it breaks something inside the kernel leading to poor germination. I intend to test that this winter and come up with an alternate soaking scheme. It might be wetting the kernels every 4-6 hours as if making bean sprouts, or soaking in a sugar syrup to slow down water absorption. Perhaps one of these days I'll get to 100% se+ then I can skip the soak test. It sure is nice to see my seed grow better in other gardens than it does in mine. What an onion!!! My first crop of corn, LISP Ashworth, is coming along nicely:
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Post by 12540dumont on Jul 16, 2013 17:00:42 GMT -5
Joseph, Thanks for letting me play.
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Post by davida on Jul 17, 2013 19:59:38 GMT -5
For the record, Sugar Buns is my go to corn. It keeps 2 weeks in the field without getting starchy and a week in the fridge. Joseph, you're gaining. 10 days in the field and 4 days in the fridge! (I pick all my corn first thing in the morning and hydro cool it.) (Big tubs of ice and water, before it's bagged and put in the fridge until it's time to load the truck). Does it seem to matter where you purchase the Sugar Buns seeds? We are growing Incredible this year in my daughter's garden because they wanted corn like the store without the chemicals. Both Sugar Buns and Incredible appear to have been developed and/or improved by Crookham Company. Therefore, does the seed all come from Crookham Company or from multiple suppliers? The seed that does well in Holly's garden seems to do the best in my garden. Joseph, while looking at www.crookham.com, they have a Frosty corn. I am certain that it is not as good as yours but they may have the name trademarked.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jul 17, 2013 22:11:25 GMT -5
My best guess is that if the seed isn't produced directly by Crookham Company, that they produce the inbred parents, and that the production of the seed is licensed to various seed producers. Joseph, while looking at www.crookham.com, they have a Frosty corn. I am certain that it is not as good as yours but they may have the name trademarked. Nothing in their marketing materials indicates that there is a trademark on the name "Frosty". In any case, since I became aware that there is another "Frosty" sweet corn, I have been calling mine "Frosted". Unfortunately, there are some old references archived in forums, and habits are hard to change, etc... I'd like to move towards "cold/frost tolerant" like I've been using with the tomatoes, but that doesn't exactly roll of the tongue as glibly as "Frosty". Boo Hoo. I'd welcome nominations for a replacement name.
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Post by steev on Jul 17, 2013 22:53:05 GMT -5
Frostable?
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Post by 12540dumont on Jul 18, 2013 0:58:53 GMT -5
I vote for Frosty Joe, or Cold Joe or Frosted Joe, Frosted Paradise? Frosty Spring? Well anyway, there you go. As to buying corn seed, if I don't get it from Joseph, I buy it from Johnny's. When I have a problem with their seed, they come through. Note that Sugar Buns is recommended for latitude 38° and higher. Avg. 2,600 seeds/lb. Packet: 150 seeds. (At Johnny's) And no, they don't send me free seed, but they have if I have an issue. I'm at latitude 37.09 So I'm a squeaker. I will grow Paradise again, and Ashworth. But I will not grow Mystique. Other hybrid corns we have liked are: Sugar Pearl Trinity (This one is made an incredible number of ears, but we had a dismal spring that year, with no heat.) Of course, I haven't seen what Joseph's Hopi cross will do, maybe I can get 8 ears off one plant? Now wouldn't that be fun?
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Post by davida on Jul 18, 2013 19:50:36 GMT -5
I vote for Frosty Joe, or Cold Joe or Frosted Joe, Frosted Paradise? Frosty Spring? Note that Sugar Buns is recommended for latitude 38° and higher. Avg. 2,600 seeds/lb. Packet: 150 seeds. (At Johnny's) And no, they don't send me free seed, but they have if I have an issue. I'm at latitude 37.09 So I'm a squeaker. I like Frosty to the Rescue. Then start the description: If your corn has been stunted or even killed in the past by frost, if you have a short growing season or if you just want the earliest and best OP sweet corn in your county, Frosty to the Rescue is the corn for you. ...... Oh well, just a thought. Holly, I noticed the 38 degree latitude comment in Johnny's description. They are the only company that mentions this detail and that is one of the reasons that I like Johnny's. We are almost 36 degrees so really a squeaker and probably not optimal. That is the reason that I asked the question about if the seed was all grown by the developer. Because Park's seed offers it and they are closer to my climate. But Jopeph's answer sounds logical and all of the seed is probably grown in 38 degrees or higher. We will see how Incredible produces. Wish my girls would be more creative in their corn eating.
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