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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 11:02:57 GMT -5
This is when your package from another country has been opened, your germplasm is confiscated, and replaced with an interception notice. It is then resealed with green tape.
There are teeny sellers on shopping.google, amazon, etc, who have rare finds from foreign lands.
They know some English, but haven't dealt with importation issues.
If I'm dealing with one of these guys for the first time, the same thing always happens.
I get the green tape of doom on the first try.
It gets through, on the second try, when they *declare the contents as fruit seeds, and send the package as registered mail.
Reported problems:
- Material not authorized entry.
- Phytosanitary certificate is missing.
- Other comments - permit is missing.
Of which I am aware, no phytosanitary certificate is produced on the second try, but the package still arrives.
If you have any insights, about this, please respond.
In theory, my signature authorizes the package to be sent and creates a record. In the event of plant disease breaking out, the germplasm is traceable to my shipping address.
Though I am no great fan of class warfare or bullhorning, Alex Jones has made one or two, practical observations. He said that a lemon tree had been placed in the ground, for some time, and confiscated at a later date. Please keep this in mind, if they are not being sent discreetly.
More conservative personalities, especially religious ones, have reported unwanted packages, sometimes with spectacular results. So, there are legitimate safety concerns.
(edited for spelling)
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Post by wingnut on Dec 2, 2012 12:02:24 GMT -5
At least you have not received a note threatening prosecution.
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Post by wingnut on Dec 2, 2012 12:04:28 GMT -5
You wonder how tons of heroin make it in no problem, but a couple seeds or tubers .......
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Post by rowan on Dec 2, 2012 16:24:11 GMT -5
Our packages get covered with yellow quarantine tape. I get a slap on the hand regularly because I often buy from small sellers like you mentions. Yet, sometimes I am amazed at what does get through.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 18:12:32 GMT -5
Do you mind if I ask what kind of slap you get?
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Post by rowan on Dec 2, 2012 20:35:03 GMT -5
It is not serious, well, except if you get someone on a bit of a power trip who sends a threat to prosecute but that rarely happens. Mostly we just get a quarantine brochure to tell you to investigate what you can bring in, a letter telling you off and a form to say why the seeds or stuff were confiscated.
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Post by mountaindweller on Dec 2, 2012 22:07:59 GMT -5
I had something confiscated maybe twice when I forgot to look up at ICON. These were probably the only two packets of seeds which were not allowed entry I ordered. My guess is that the controls are nearly 100% here.
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Post by 12540dumont on Dec 3, 2012 20:37:14 GMT -5
These "controls" are tightening up everywhere, so I highly recommend, in the words of Janis, "Get it while you can." If you can't get corn, get the lettuce and melons while they're still open to be received. It will not be long before every post office will x-ray packages. Some countries forbid the import or export of any seeds period. I suspect this is why fashion invented hems. Seeds belong to people, not to banks under the snow. I'll be the first woman in seed jail, and I expect all of you to come and see me. (Bring Seeds when you come)! Global Alliance for the Freedom of the seed
A campaign by Vandana ShivaIn the fall of 2012 launched a global "Seed Freedom Project", which aims through a variety of activities and actions are the subject of seed put on the political agenda. In a report published in October, global seed of freedom, there are more than 100 reports on the situation, but also to initiatives across Europe and worldwide. The report can here be downloaded. On www.seedfreedom.in is possible to sign a declaration to the seed of freedom. |
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Post by castanea on Dec 3, 2012 20:57:33 GMT -5
I'll visit and bring seeds, assuming I am not in the cell down the hall...
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Post by oxbowfarm on Dec 3, 2012 21:23:19 GMT -5
OK Guys, settle down.
I've no doubt the mega agricorp vertical integration actuarial bean counters would love it if every nation banned the free trading of germplasm and if every post office would X-ray all the mail, but it isn't going to happen. Not because its wrong, not because its immoral, not because its unjust, but because its logistically impossible.
If folks want to trade seed they will trade seed. Its currently illegal to trade in cannabis seeds right? But somehow everybody who wants some can find 'em. The Aussie's are top notch at seed quarantine and they still couldn't keep Holly's Dread Pumpkin of Botanical Sin (and sweet corn) from reaching Raymondo downunder and corrupting him from the straight and narrow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 21:59:27 GMT -5
I'll visit and bring seeds, assuming I am not in the cell down the hall... Where will you hide them? I'm no prohibitionist, but people are reporting problems with traditional sorts of things like firewood and nice puppies.This is something worse than knee-jerk conservatism. |
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Post by castanea on Dec 3, 2012 22:11:43 GMT -5
OK Guys, settle down. I've no doubt the mega agricorp vertical integration actuarial bean counters would love it if every nation banned the free trading of germplasm and if every post office would X-ray all the mail, but it isn't going to happen. Not because its wrong, not because its immoral, not because its unjust, but because its logistically impossible. If folks want to trade seed they will trade seed. Its currently illegal to trade in cannabis seeds right? But somehow everybody who wants some can find 'em. The Aussie's are top notch at seed quarantine and they still couldn't keep Holly's Dread Pumpkin of Botanical Sin (and sweet corn) from reaching Raymondo downunder and corrupting him from the straight and narrow. Banning the free exchange of seeds is easy, has happened to some extent, and may well worsen. Enforcing the ban is a different issue, but the fact that enforcement is difficult is not a cause for celebration and not a cause for tolerating a ban. The simple fact that a ban exists seriously cuts into the trade of certain seeds. Cannabis seeds can be found but trading in them is a risky endeavor. |
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Post by steev on Dec 3, 2012 23:34:49 GMT -5
People are smuggling firewood and nice puppies into jail?
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Post by templeton on Dec 4, 2012 0:15:23 GMT -5
People are smuggling firewood and nice puppies into jail? Where are they hiding them?  T |
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Post by steev on Dec 4, 2012 1:47:51 GMT -5
I didn't want to ask; I don't want to know!
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